Is there any way to increase my ankle crank?

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Post by shredzilla » 25 Oct 2007 23:46

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shredzilla wrote:To be honest, I wouldn't like Vasek-type crank too much. Too much crank ruins your form. If you look at Vasek's game compared to Dave or Penske, his form is much more loose.
What!?! Haha. Vasek's form is almost as close to perfect as you can get. Check the many videos from Worlds and it's apparent that he has the utmost control of the bag.

But it's not all due to his crank because his toe game is the same way.
If you just look at his winning routine, the whirrs at the end aren't even there lol. I've seen other stuff where he slurs ripsteins, and other moves. He's definitely still the best, and has awesome form and style. I guess I meant his form is a bit more loose (at times) than someone like Dave.

The point was somewhat off-topic anyway. The point is, Vasek, Dave, Jorden, Penske, Honza, none of them got to be the best because of superior ankle crank.

BUT, if you really want to improve it, I've heard stories about how Vasek used to sit on his ankles when he was younger. That could help.
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Post by Tsiangkun » 26 Oct 2007 15:32

no amount of stretching will give you the strength you need to hold your clipper position.

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Post by gMoney » 26 Oct 2007 16:06

no amount of stretching will give you the strength you need to hold your clipper position.
that's why I was talking about this thing:
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and as long as your not drilling it with an ankle wieght i dont think it would be too big of a problem.
Ha, I didn't mean drilling with weights :) I mean taking like a large book or small weight disk and standing in clipper position for like 10 seconds. Using ankle weights would definately kiiillllll your legs.
I'll go ahead and illustrate it. Not because I have to or because I want to, but because it's a Friday night and I have nothing to do and nowhere to go and I'm really really bored.

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It's not really any kind of form weight training or anything, it's just kind of a way to force your legs into clipper position. You can do it leaning against a wall, or whatever feels comfortable. That was my alternative to supercrank, haha. I don't know remember where I learned it though :? And with that, you don't really have to worry about ankle stuff until later, just leg positioning.
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Post by Sergey » 26 Oct 2007 16:45

I consider myself a proud owner of a good crank, but I've never worked on it super hard. I'm personally convinced that lacing your shoes differently will help. Wear them loose like Lon Smith does. I've said the same thing a bunch of time in other topics, sorry, but that's just something I believe in.
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Post by HG » 26 Oct 2007 17:16

loose shoes also give me a more forgiving clipper :)
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Post by shredzilla » 28 Oct 2007 13:17

haha I just watched a vasek vid and now I want more crank... :lol:
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Post by Benzilla » 29 Oct 2007 10:52

I think that ankle crank is an advantage more than a necessity. I find that both my right and left ankles have the same amount of crank, except my flipside, left, has less control over that crank.

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Post by Wumbo » 09 Nov 2007 16:29

As far as cushion goes, have you ever even watched vasek play? He hardly cushions the bag at all, he sticks his perfectly level foot out, near the ground, and the bag sticks because it has nowhere else to go.
youre correct on this one. look at the very first videos of vasek in nike shoes. he always had good crank though his clipper style changed. it allowed him develope the style that he has today.
Here's a different angle:
I have far above average crank. Nearly supercrank. I'm not very good. I've only been playing for a few months. Seriously for about two.

Practice>Physical attributes.
yes. thats why these chinese superflexible ballerinas who never heared of footbag are worse than any badcrank player.


yes, crank matters a lot. its one part of the puzzle to become a good player. i mean its just physics: put a bag on ya hand at 45 degree angle and move it up and down: it will roll off. now do same at 30 degress: it might not roll-off but it is more likely to. next is at 0 degree: the bag wont ever fall off. if you have problems doing swirls (vasek style, uptime dex) because of bad crank try this: put foot on ground so its purely flat and put bag on it. now pull your foot up. youll see how fucking easy things become just because you started with a flat foot position.
people who say it doesnt matter just simulate bad crank and see how it goes. but why should one do that? why limit yourself? the truth is the best wouldnt be the best if they had shitty crank. having an athletic/skinny body type comes first though.
to answer your question, you can increase your ankle crank. how? by practicing insides and clipper. it will improve about 5-10% by added muscle strenght but thats about it. genetics define your natural flexibility and the limits for improving, just like they define how much muscles you have and how much you can add by bodybuilding, for example. to really influence crank developement you need to be a kid in growing phase and then flex your feet often so it grows flexible and strong. all your hardcore streching after this timeperiod just loosens it so it gets weaker which is not a good deal if you ask me.
here are the good news; you CAN become good with not so good crank, but it will be fucking harder. you DONT need good crank to play and enjoy footbag. you DO need it to become one of the best. no more lies. (jorden, dave etc. have above average crank, and not "no good crank" like some people claim.) of course, form will help; of course, there positioning the foot in the right place will help, but its just not the same as having a good crank and doing these two things. i think you got my point.
in the end all you can do is live with it or find a devilish doctor who will help you out. your choice.

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Post by Zac Miley » 09 Nov 2007 17:18

Wumbo wrote:(jorden, dave etc. have above average crank, and not "no good crank" like some people claim.)
Are you serious?

You think Jorden has good crank?

I guess Dave's is probably average, but Jorden definitely does not have above average crank. I guess perfect form might make it look that way, but I'm pretty sure his crank ain't so hot.
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Post by Stoneman » 09 Nov 2007 19:09

Wumbo wrote:
As far as cushion goes, have you ever even watched vasek play? He hardly cushions the bag at all, he sticks his perfectly level foot out, near the ground, and the bag sticks because it has nowhere else to go.
youre correct on this one. look at the very first videos of vasek in nike shoes. he always had good crank though his clipper style changed. it allowed him develope the style that he has today.
Here's a different angle:
I have far above average crank. Nearly supercrank. I'm not very good. I've only been playing for a few months. Seriously for about two.

Practice>Physical attributes.
yes. thats why these chinese superflexible ballerinas who never heared of footbag are worse than any badcrank player.


yes, crank matters a lot. its one part of the puzzle to become a good player. i mean its just physics: put a bag on ya hand at 45 degree angle and move it up and down: it will roll off. now do same at 30 degress: it might not roll-off but it is more likely to. next is at 0 degree: the bag wont ever fall off. if you have problems doing swirls (vasek style, uptime dex) because of bad crank try this: put foot on ground so its purely flat and put bag on it. now pull your foot up. youll see how fucking easy things become just because you started with a flat foot position.
people who say it doesnt matter just simulate bad crank and see how it goes. but why should one do that? why limit yourself? the truth is the best wouldnt be the best if they had shitty crank. having an athletic/skinny body type comes first though.
to answer your question, you can increase your ankle crank. how? by practicing insides and clipper. it will improve about 5-10% by added muscle strenght but thats about it. genetics define your natural flexibility and the limits for improving, just like they define how much muscles you have and how much you can add by bodybuilding, for example. to really influence crank developement you need to be a kid in growing phase and then flex your feet often so it grows flexible and strong. all your hardcore streching after this timeperiod just loosens it so it gets weaker which is not a good deal if you ask me.
here are the good news; you CAN become good with not so good crank, but it will be fucking harder. you DONT need good crank to play and enjoy footbag. you DO need it to become one of the best. no more lies. (jorden, dave etc. have above average crank, and not "no good crank" like some people claim.) of course, form will help; of course, there positioning the foot in the right place will help, but its just not the same as having a good crank and doing these two things. i think you got my point.
in the end all you can do is live with it or find a devilish doctor who will help you out. your choice.

thank you for saying this.

Zac-if you look at that cornell video, and maybee some oldish footage (tnt session),i think you will see some above average crank.

Here's a different angle:
I have far above average crank. Nearly supercrank. I'm not very good. I've only been playing for a few months. Seriously for about two.
Practice>Physical attributes.
this logic makes no sense
youre not good because you havent been playing long.
that physical attribute WILL make things easier
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Post by Zac Miley » 09 Nov 2007 19:23

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So that's good crank now?

I really do think you're making excuses.

Obviously, Jorden is retarded good, and obviously, Jorden doesn't have good crank.

Oh, and here's Grandpa Cleaver at the end of Whirring Swirl>Montage:
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Post by janis » 09 Nov 2007 22:09

I think you can get an idea of people's crank by watching them do a walkover. When I was watching worlds 2006 routine videos there was one where Verena does this insane crank walkover thingy and then just afterwards see Jorden do a walkover and the crank isn't all that good. The thing is, Jorden has perfect clipper form and that's really what matters.


IMHO:
form > crank


(but both together is the pwnage :P)

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Post by Stoneman » 09 Nov 2007 23:25

Fine, jorden has the worst crank of the top players, ok.
But that picture is decepive.

Heres mine



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Isilwar wrote: So that's good crank now?

I really do think you're making excuses.
Actualy that does look pretty good.


The best part about this is that jorden and david read these threads :lol: :lol:

(ps. yes, i did pick this clipper out of eight others i looked at in lethal session)
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Post by janis » 10 Nov 2007 03:02

I am really hoping either David or Jorden can post in this thread to tell you just how important form is...........



seriously, their clipper positioning is so good because of their form.

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Post by Zac Miley » 10 Nov 2007 16:01

Stoneman wrote: (ps. yes, i did pick this clipper out of eight others i looked at in lethal session)
I just went to a random part in the vid and stopped it when the angle was good. And the crank in your screenshot really isn't "above average".

Can we get a picture of your crank?
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Post by King Monkey » 10 Nov 2007 18:00

I dont think people who have reasonable crank will ever be able to appreciate how hard and demotivating it is to have poor crank.
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Post by crazylegs32 » 10 Nov 2007 21:16

Good clippers dont come from crank, they come from balance and a strong support leg. :)

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Post by Zac Miley » 11 Nov 2007 07:02

crazylegs32 wrote:Good clippers dont come from crank, they come from balance and a strong support leg. :)
Oh no you didn't!
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Post by janis » 11 Dec 2007 05:40

just thought I'd post these gems :lol:

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after rev swirl
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another rev swirl
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don't have a clue what this one was

please people, don't complain about your cranks, that's my job :lol:

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Post by RawSko » 11 Dec 2007 11:06

I just realized a while ago that I could greatly improve my clipper by holding my clipper leg in a different position. It takes some getting used to, and it takes time to relearn certain tricks, but my clipper has gotten better. Experiment with different leg positions and see what allows you to hold your foot in the best clipper position. Try moving your clipper foot further away from your support leg in various directions. You'll find the sweet spot. And then that's your crank, for the time being. It'll get a little bit better as you play more. Just work with it
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