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Post by MegaFighter_X » 25 Jul 2004 23:30

Ok, wait, fucking STOP the attacks right now! If this drug discussion is going to degenerate to a bunch of insulting, lock the topic, and any others on the same topic, as soon as they come up. If we can discuss it rationally, then let us continue...

Yes, pot can be bad. So can tobbacco, alcohol, and an OTC medication. This is called drug abuse. This is bad. This is what gives all drugs and such bad names.

However, if used with responsibility, those mentioned above, and many others, aren't going to cause harm. This is called drug use. This makes sure that you are in a controled environment, and you will not go apeshit and kill something because of the drug. As long as there is massive responsibility, there will be fewer incidents of people wrapping cars around poles, dying of cancer, tripping out and committing suicide, etc. I'm sure I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Me wrote:It's all about responsibility
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Post by sPinko-Mania » 26 Jul 2004 04:14

Jeremy wrote: Paranoid would be an understatement.
Yeah that post started out brillantly, but the last paragraph killed it.
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Post by HighDemonslayer » 27 Jul 2004 16:07

Jeremy:

Tell me that unions don't screw the taxpayers, public school students, and others to maintain their existence.


To everyone else:

I was trying to add that the union reason BY ITS SELF, was justification and reason enough(for some) to keep drugs illegal.

Of course there are many other reasons for illegality, but I was trying to point out that a union, be it education, law enforcement, or corrections will stop any action that could substantially cripple them.





So to recap my previous BRILLIANT post:

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Post by Tsiangkun » 27 Jul 2004 16:18

Unions do a lot of good things, like keeping me employed while almost 50% of the country is not. Anti-unionists can suck my big fat paystub, cuz I'm still employed while the non-union tech support staff are being outsourced.

Unions do a lot of stupid shit, like preservation of the union at the expense of the members and the employer.

Unions of prison gaurds are not the reason weed is illegal. The reason, ***LEFT WING CRACKPOT THEORY COMING*** is the pharmaceutical companies. They fear a drug that can cure anything from mind numbing boredom to hyperactivity, can be produced easilly in the wild, and alleviates most of the conditions people are spending big money to have cured by the miracle drug de jour.

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Post by HighDemonslayer » 28 Jul 2004 00:20

Congrats on the union paycheck, while it lasts. Unions offer advantages in the form of high wages and safer working conditions. And the dues let the unions lobby for all sorts of shady causes.

The union glory days are in the past. Membership will continue to shrink in the new global economy, I predict.


Before I said unions don't support things that threaten their existance, but I was wrong.

Your pot theory isn't leftist crackpot.

If we could grow our own OxyCottons and Valiums, what would we need the drug companies for? oh yeah, to research and develop drugs to save our lives, and make old peoples dicks hard.



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Post by comastalker » 28 Jul 2004 04:02

HighDemonslayer wrote:oh yeah, to research and develop drugs to save our lives, and make old peoples dicks hard.
haha, that was funny....
I'd like to know what unions are in the US (there's a translation problem I think). I think what you are talking about are social gatherings/club-like organisations of people who work in the same kind of place (like for example bus drivers) and have fixed wages negotiated by the leadership and the ones offering the jobs. Is that right ? I don't want to discuss something and then find out I thought about sth. completely different
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Post by FlexThis » 28 Jul 2004 07:02

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Post by AIvanyo » 07 Aug 2004 09:20

Isn't it illeagal because some guy (forgot the name) made a car completly out of hemp and ran on hemp gas, but in order for the auto-industry to make more money they made it illegal, and the reason they said it was illegal is because it was one of those "bad" drugs.

I think if it was legal it would put an end to the "drug wars." If the money people spend on drugs goes to terrorists, make it legal and it would stop the money going to them and instead the government could sell it behind the counter and tax it. The US' economy could benifit so much if we put a tax on it and if we do, we can also make it a major export to other countries. Think on the possibilities.
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Post by Maraxus » 07 Aug 2004 09:49

AIvanyo wrote: If the money people spend on drugs goes to terrorists,
you believe those commercials








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Post by Seath » 07 Aug 2004 10:30

ya weed isn't much in "drug wars" most wars over drugs are about much more expensive drugs like cocaine and heroine. Drugs that are more worth the time. Pot is cheap, everyone makes it, so there isnt as much big-time business for it.
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Post by MegaFighter_X » 07 Aug 2004 12:41

But we have somethign like half of our country's children who've tried it, where in Holland, where it's strictly controlled and regulated, only about 25% of their youth has used it before! WE MUST STOP THE DEVIL WEED!!!


Seriously though, if you strictly control something, it'll be used more. Look at the Prohibition. The government is trying to stop pot usage though fear tactics rather than education. But then again, if we used facts, pot wouldn't look as bad...
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Post by AIvanyo » 07 Aug 2004 14:36

Maraxus wrote:
AIvanyo wrote: If the money people spend on drugs goes to terrorists,
you believe those commercials








HAHA
no I don't. thats hwat the government says, I'm proving them wrong.
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Post by Frenzal » 15 Aug 2004 04:21

Decriminalisation without dutch style cofee shops fails to solve the large problems arising from the black market; consumer safety (i'd like to know my weed isn't sprayed with anything) and easy funding for illeagle and nefarious gruops. Here in Aotearoa the larger fraction of pot profits are going straight to gangs, i assume it's similar elsewhere, but if you're in europe buying hash you actually could have been funding Al Qaeda.

As to why marijuana is still illeagle... Racism; marjuana laws are and have always been enforced so as to discriminate against minorities.
Hemp Products; rope, paper, fats and oils, plastics; there's millions, probably billions tied up in buisness that wuold be worth absolutely squat was hemp to become mainstream.
Other Drugs'; industries like alcohol and pharmecuticals would suffer were marijuna to be commercialised, again here there is big money involved.
Unions; I don't know if it's the unions per se, but in the US many many prisons are privately owned and operated, poorly, but for high profit. When half of all incarcerated are there on drug crimes there's another large industry interested in keeping themselves profitable.
Religion; certain ones, the main culprit being christianity, but some of the first marijuana laws to be passed were a case of one muslim sect trying to persecute another. I'm not sure what the bible (or koran) bashers get from prohibition, a moral high horse i suppose.
The Political Right; did a very good smear campaign during the cold war and much of the misinformation still persists. I could understand being right wing and paranoid in the 60's but honestly i don't think pot makes you socialist, if it does; it didn't work on me.

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Post by 420FootBager » 15 Aug 2004 08:30

drug laws are fueled by racism?

I am all about legalization but that sounds like BS to me. Our current and last presidents both white both smoked pot and did coke. Around me way probebly 45% of the white people in my school smoke pot and around 60% id say take other peoples prescribtions.

I'm sick of everything being called racist it's getting old.

However I am completly for legalizing weed the coffe shop system sounds pretty good to me.

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Post by peanutbuterboy » 15 Aug 2004 17:04

MegaFighter_X wrote:
Seriously though, if you strictly control something, it'll be used more.
I totally have to agree. When someone takes something away and says its bad everyone wants to do it, but if you make it legal there isnt that much of a problem.
Look at Amsterdam, they have those "pot coffee shops" and their drug problems arent that bad. Though Amsterdam prostitution is legal and child porn too so people just have to pick their battles. Mary Jane dosent normally kill people and it is cheap and very availible. It just all comes down to morals I guess.
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Post by Whatsfootbag? » 15 Aug 2004 17:22

just wanted to post my thoughts on pot...legalize it to be used in homes,and have it be like drinking.you can be drunk in a bar/house(if of age) but not in public.if you're high in public and creating disturbances(when im stoned i just chill out hah)then yea do somethign about it like fine ticket etc.but yes legalize it for the home! :D :!:

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Post by Frenzal » 16 Aug 2004 01:22

420FootBager wrote:drug laws are fueled by racism?

I'm sick of everything being called racist it's getting old.
Ok, 1910, south africa, first modern prohibition as white govt tries to ban indian hemp because it's making the (black) mine workers lazy.

Early 1900's western states of america pass anti-pot laws in response to increasing use amongst mexican immigrants.

Harry Anslinger (first head of Federal Bureau of Narcotics) helps spread the reefer madness to include the fear of negros and aswell as claiming the drug was responsible for a string of murders 1930's newspapers now asserted that "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others." -Harry Anslinger

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races." -Harry Anslinger

In every western civilization racial minorities are persecuted more frequently per capita than caucasians. This is particularly true in the US where until the mid 1980's whites were by far the largest users of cannabis and blacks by further the most commonly arrested. The trend still exists today but it's somewhat blurred by the rise of rap and hip hop which has seen a large infusion of cannabis into the afro-american culture.

From my land of Aotearoa "The study concluded that: "The bias with respect to Maori is of particular concern since it suggests that independently of cannabis use and previous police record, Maori were more likely to be arrested and convicted for cannabis use than non-Maori."" I'm sure if you bothered to look you could find a million examples. Not everything's about how much melatonin you've got, but when it comes to getting busted for herb i'm glad i'm a white boy.
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Post by Frenzal » 16 Aug 2004 01:32

[quote="Frenzal"]In every western civilization racial minorities are persecuted more frequently per capita than caucasians.[quote]

Of course i meant to qualify this with "...than caucasians for marijuana possession, even when they tend to use the drug less."
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Post by 420FootBager » 16 Aug 2004 10:03

Minoriteys are arrested more for drug use because they live in bad neighboorhoods more then whites. In these areas cops look for people selling crack or pot and search more people because it is a problem in there community even black people will admit that drugs are a problem within there communtees. This problem exists within ethnic communitees because they use drug money to help pay for gang-realated activity.

Most white people live in the suburbs. Where there is less of a problem there for less focus.
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Post by bigdirtyfoot » 16 Aug 2004 10:31

Just because "white people live in the suburbs" more doesn't mean they're not using drugs! Lots of really successful "white people" use hard drugs, but are not targeted.
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