3 things a shred shoe must have, plus a retail price

richardabshire · Post by **richardabshire** » 14 Jul 2008 10:42

I need some feedback on what shredders think are the three most important things a shred shoe must have. Also, inlcude a retail price. More polls and questions will follow after enough posts have been made. This is not for fun. I need serious feedback within two weeks. Thanks, Richard Abshire

jay7 · Post by **jay7** » 14 Jul 2008 13:06

I need some feedback on what shredders think are the three most important things a shred shoe must have.

1.) grippy/supportive Sole. Example: Gunit.
2.) Good Clipper instep. Example: Gunit, Laver, Quantum.
3.) Good toebox, with walls. Example: Gunit, Laver.

Also, inlcude a retail price.

Less than 70 dollars.

I am not entirely sure as to how detailed you want these explanations, however I am sure that you have a good idea as to what those requirements mean.

Alf · Post by **Alf** » 14 Jul 2008 13:08

sry, don't know the englich word for it, but

a low ankle profile (like a broka cut, right from the beginning!!!)

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 14 Jul 2008 13:21

1. Good supportive sole that has good traction and durability (a cross between the Rod Laver and G-unit sole).
2. Flat surfaces on inside, outside and toe of the shoe: clipper instep (Quantum, Rod Laver maybe), toebox (Rod Laver), outside (whatever).
3. Toebox must have moderately durable toe walls. (Rod Laver)

Retail Price: $30-50 USD or lower.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 14 Jul 2008 14:25

Wasabi wrote:Retail Price: $30-50 USD or lower.

Dude, you can't even fill up your car with gas for that much. Give me a break man, these are shred shoes designed to last at least months. $60 and up is completely fair for a good shred shoe, I'd even pay as much as 80-90 if it was a completely awesome shoe that I like more than Lavers.

For me Lavers are still the most amazing shoe ever for shred.

I used to think I knew what would make a good shoe, but it all boils down to just making lavers better. (ie. slapping a more cushiony yet supportive sole on the bottom of it) While Quantums are attempting to go that route, I can't stand the quantum toe box, and I'm not crazy about that material they use either, I prefer the nylon mesh. But again, I'm forever in love with my lavers <3

Jordan · Post by **Jordan** » 14 Jul 2008 14:44

1-Low ankle cut (Like broka)
2-Light weight (Like tennis shoes {Lavers})
3-Good toe box (Lavers)

umn... I would not pay $90 for a shoe... considering... They are SHOES!!!

i agree with Waylon, $50 for a shred shoe would be best for the footbag community... Maybe even $60

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 14 Jul 2008 15:25

I tried to consider the "Payless-Shoe/Steve-&-Barry" show market. Shoes that are available at affordable prices for people that just want a shoe to kick with. Let's not forget: people still find it very, very weird to put a knife on their shoes. There are also people who won't pay $80 for a pair of shoes. In conjunction, the argument still stands that it's crazy to put a knife on a $60-80 pair of shoes.

I'll retract my suggestion of a price lower than $30, but a price between $30-50 USD is my target price (in which is pretty general for the Rod Laver shoe). I can be motivated to pay $60 USD, though, but $70-80 for a pair of shred shoes that I may murder and dislike in 6 months is not a worth investment for me.

And the one thing I find disheartening for newbie footbaggers is that they don't have an alternative footbag shoe that isn't around the $30-50 USD range, which is typically the price of Rod Lavers. And I'm not sure if the starbury "Cribs" shoe sold only at Steve & Barry retail shops are still in stock.

Jordan · Post by **Jordan** » 14 Jul 2008 15:34

ok, I put some thought into it...

If Richie is looking into getting shoes that are like Lavers...

Meaning they have a canvas layer and a mesh layer over it... (You HAVE to mod them for footbag)

I would put a price on that shoe at about $30 USD... Cause I deff. wouldnt mind cutting up $30 shoes that will be excellent for footbag!!!

But, If Richie is getting shoes that are custom made for footbag like Quantums... I would price is at $50-$60 USD... Because I wouldnt have to mod them, and it would be a perfect price for a right out the box Shred Shoe...

Hope that helps Rich

Guydro · Post by **Guydro** » 14 Jul 2008 17:49

I agree with Jay on this one for sure. Plus a few bonus add ons.

1.) grippy/supportive Sole. Example: Gunit.
2.) Good Clipper instep. Example: Gunit, Laver, Quantum.
3.) Good toebox, with walls. Example: Gunit, Laver.
4.) A good insole in the shoe if it is priced over $70.
5.) A few good colors to choose from. Black, Red, Blue, and White for starters.
6.) (Dream) I wish they came in wide foot sizes.

Plus if you pay over $50 for the shoes. They should last a good amount of time. I had Quantums2 that lasted about a 6 weeks before the sides started shredding. At $90 I has not happy. That's why I didn't pre-pay any Q3s this time. I not going to be the tester at $80. I will see some reveiws before I buy. If they were cheaper I wouldn't have a problem with it. But my shoes that cost me the most should last longer then 6 weeks.

zeroman13 · Post by **zeroman13** » 14 Jul 2008 18:39

Jordan wrote:If Richie is looking into getting shoes that are like Lavers...

First;
This statement is a little out of place. Richie know's what shoe's he like's to wear when he shreds! He's only been in the game for forever!

Second;
I think Richie is just looking to see what everyone here on the forum look for in a freestyle shoe.

Here's what I think;
1) Good grippy sole, and one that lasts like the Gunit or Climacool 1
2) Nice flat instep and strong outer surface like Lavers or Gunits
3) Decently sized toe box like the Gunit

For price, I would say somewhere around $40 - $60. Unless of course on sale

Jordan · Post by **Jordan** » 14 Jul 2008 18:56

i agree... but I ment in the case of... If he gets shoes that are moddable, which I think would cost less money for him... Those are the things that I was considering...

Even though...

If there is gona be a NEW "right out the box" shred shoe, like Quantums, but hopefully A LOT better !!!

I think that would be amazing ! ! !

Cause they would be customized to what Richie and the people on Modified like

dp · Post by dp » 14 Jul 2008 19:11

I pay about 90-100 dollars for good quality running shoes, and I wouldn't flinch to pay 90-100 dollars for good quality footbag shoes.

g00d33 · Post by **g00d33** » 14 Jul 2008 20:16

I would say

1) Good toe box
2) Good clipper instep
3) Metal shoelace eyelets so the shoes don't rip and die.

I would say around $50 to $60 would be a reasonable and possibly more realistic price. It would be amazing to have a shred shoe for under $50, but if the quality was obviously lacking then it wouldn't be worth it

calemccoy · Post by **calemccoy** » 14 Jul 2008 20:50

if i might ask, richie, why are you asking? are you designing a new footbag shoe?

snafu1322 · Post by **snafu1322** » 15 Jul 2008 00:29

1. Size 14
2. Everything Mentioned Above
3. A free fearless 55 with every pair

up to $80

PoisonTaffy · Post by **PoisonTaffy** » 15 Jul 2008 01:19

I would pay extra for built in high quality insoles, and a plus would be if they had an interesting design, which I think the quantums and most of the common lavers lack. Perhaps even some sort of graphic art printed on the mesh, like the more artistically inclined players draw on their lavers?

If widening the heel surface won't have any negative effects, I would like that too.

I think that it's reasonable to demand a serious price for serious professional gear (80$-100$), as long as extra purchases (e.g insoles) and modding aren't necessary. Beginner dirt cheap gear should be available for those who aren't committed yet to the sport, but it shouldn't be the standard.

pips · Post by **pips** » 15 Jul 2008 03:09

I pretty much agree with Jay.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 15 Jul 2008 06:06

$50-70 sounds good to me. $80+ is getting too much, especially if the shoe isn't super durable. (I've been playing for 10 years and am only on my second [and a half] pair of shoes -- I like it this way.)

1) VERY supportive, absorbent sole; I'm thinking a cross between Laver and CLIMACOOL, but also VERY light (like Climacool); ideally, I like these aspects of the Clima, but they are quite high-up and my style looks a bit more awkward -- style looks better in Lavers. Support is absolutely most important for me, injury-ridden.
2) Good [slightly cheaty] instep; Laver just isn't cheating enough for me. I like my added caulking that curves a BIT up when in clipper position -- maybe a bit of a slant in this part of the sole?
3) thin, malleable [yet durable] mesh: broken-in Lavers are ideal on the in-step and toe box (when the inner mesh layer is removed).

I also think the "pre-Brocka-cut" sounds good, though I've never bothered to try this mod.

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 15 Jul 2008 09:05

Maybe $120 or less.
Support derived from player muscle, plastic heel cup.
Impact mitigated with thin, stiff polyurethane midsole.
From the ground up:

Rubber like the new balance shoes
Thin midsole, polyurethane not eva
Cloth lasting, not cardboard
no arch support
cheap removable EVA insole
Narrow heel with plastic support cup
Dyeable cloth uppers with wide forefoot

Anz · Post by **Anz** » 15 Jul 2008 09:19

1) Support for ankle
2) Durable sole
3) Modable for each players taste

Price about 60 euros ($85 or something)