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Post by HG » 12 Dec 2004 15:45

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SET >> OP OUT [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL]
http://www.hackrifice.com/minisooper/2illusion.mpg

Can someone give me some tips on illusions? i just cant get them down. I either 'the' them or i just do it horribly wrong.


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Post by dazza » 12 Dec 2004 16:32

Greetings Henry !
Are your illusions more up time or all down time ?
I just ask, because there is a slight difference
between the two.
To me, illusions are so much easier when done
up time, the down time version i just learned
recently...as for the first style,lets assume right toe :
i set the bag and as soon as it leaves my foot,
i hop of the supporting leg immediatly,performing
a quick out to in dex with my left leg ( thigh ).
Because the bag's still on its way up, the plant with
the right leg can be done while "completing" the dex.
When the dex is cleared, you plant the dexing leg,
raising the right foot to toe stall the bag .
Down time illusions, like in pixie illusions are harder,
since you plant the setting foot before you dex, some
what like a normal legover bailed to op toe.
As you see, i'm not tooo good at explaining stuff, but
maby it helps.. :?
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Post by Seath » 12 Dec 2004 16:41

ya but thats an atomic set not an illusion :P
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Post by Gauntlet » 12 Dec 2004 16:45

what does "the" mean
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Post by Seath » 12 Dec 2004 17:10

it means YOU FUCKED UP, the that is...

the the is used to say the move the player did was the. When the move is the then the player realises that the dex was the. The the the, so the the to the the the.
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Post by dazza » 12 Dec 2004 17:11

lol!
@ seath : all this uptime illusioning jazz is the foundation
to atomic stuff, sure, and if u think, dexing the bag with
your upper leg instead of your calf makes an up time illusion
an atomic toe stall, then thats kool aswell :P
@ gauntlet: a dex is "the", if its not clean. and again, check out
flipsider.com for all kinds of information about lingo and moves,
ellis is definitly one of the good guys.
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Post by zachatree » 12 Dec 2004 17:14

practice out>in atw. and your mirages.

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Post by BainbridgeShred » 12 Dec 2004 18:11

Yea, work your in-out atw's, and don't think of it as a reverse mirage, its more of the bottom of your leg circling the bag from out to in, whereas the mirage tends to be your entire leg go aroudn from in to out.
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Post by crazydwarf » 12 Dec 2004 18:31

I haven't ever done them until you just mentioned them here so I don't know if this is the best way, but when I tried it I got it a couple times. It seemed to help to do the same kind of foot work as you do in mirage (by footwork I mean like when you leave each foot, and the rythm of the move). But then when your leg goes go over with your thigh and then forget about that leg and it'll finish the dex by itself. Then concentrate on getting the toe stall... hope that's how it's supposed to be done, and Im not just making up horrible advice.
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Post by sampotter » 12 Dec 2004 19:15

Make sure you do these -downtime-! If you do your fundamentals midtime or uptime, or leggy when they're supposed to be hippy (or visa versa) you'll have a hard time combining concepts. Do moves how they're supposed to be done unless you have no interest in progressing very far (which is fine, obviously :-p). You'll spend a lot of wasted time relearning concepts.

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Post by dazza » 13 Dec 2004 17:48

hmmm...well simple logic tells me, if you have two ways
of doing something and both possibilities are valuable,
one would profit the most, if he knows both ways.
In this case, uptime illusions are fundamental to atomic
sets, and the downtime version is good for stuff like
pdx illusion, pixie illusion ect.
Both ways serve certain purposes, so if you really wanna
progress very far, which obviously very fine, then it you
should know both : )

But nagasake, who definitly knows about atomic, is right,
when he insists on downtime illusions ; they are harder
and look "nicer", especially when you do one as a single move.
But i think its incorrect, to state that learning uptime illusions is
a waste of time, am i wrong or can you do quite explosive stuff
with those ?
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Post by sampotter » 13 Dec 2004 17:53

I really do think learning uptime isn't too useful, though, unless you plan on doing your atomics leggy. You can do atomics hippy in which case learning illusions doesn't really help. My point is that when you're not too far into the game, you should learn it downtime as to avoid the bad habit of throwing midtime and uptime illusions in midstring. The same applies to leg over, mirage, etc. It is a matter of choice, but this is just my opinion on the matter. Leggy atomic can be really cool, after all, and you're right, it is useful to learn things as many ways as possible.

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Post by dazza » 14 Dec 2004 13:25

agreed :) but i hope that we could help Henry out on this one...
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Post by MegaFighter_X » 14 Dec 2004 17:43

There are two ways of doing it, like the leg over. You can hop to give yourself the momentum to get over it, or you can set, then a quick dex and quick stall.

With the hopping, it's like a legover bailed to the op toe. There are 3 distinct contacts with the ground. set dex land. That's the rhythm of it.

With the quick dex, you set it, then dex and catch in almost the same action. it's more like set dexland. It really does depend on your style the way you do it.
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Post by comastalker » 20 Dec 2004 10:31

keep your knee near the bag when dexing with the lower leg
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Post by Blue_turnip » 18 Feb 2005 08:35

Personally I think that uptime illusions are 100% useless in helping your atomic sets. They are so different. Its like saying that being good at stepping sets automatically make you good at blazing sets.

With uptime Illusions you dex with your shin and calf area and its a kind of whip action. With Atomic set its all hip and you dex with your thigh.

In most ppls oppinions uptime illusions are easier and i am no exception. However if I got to choose which way I would love to perfect it would be downtime as that helps you with other moves and it just looks better
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Post by KronoKicker » 18 Feb 2005 11:38

An atomic set is an uptime illussion, they're the same... but you can do atomic set 2 different ways, leggy or hippy. Leggy doing the dex with your lower leg (ankle to calf area), and hippy being an atomic set done with your hip and leading with your knee.
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Post by tuomoruutufan » 16 Apr 2005 10:01

i find this trick easiest when you bend you dexing legs ankle as if your doing an inside stall. like previously said dont think of it as reverse mirage so dont try it the same way its easier to get cleanly dex the bag when arch your ankle.

I will now practice downtime illusions since i only do them mid/up time leggy style.

But isnt that method usefull if your gonna do a symp illusion?
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