knee issues

LittleBoy footbag · Post by **LittleBoy footbag** » 30 Jan 2006 20:47

i was doing squats today just to see if i had any leg strength and my knee, the inner side, anyway hurt so badly, like I pulle a nerve...but to the point where i collapsed and grabbed my knee...

it's bad i'd say

but what happened? I don't remember stressing myself out THAT much....

hackeysnacker · Post by **hackeysnacker** » 31 Jan 2006 00:03

don't go down all the way, u don't want ur legs bent at any more than a 90 degree angle when doing squats, if you here a cracking or popping in your knees it means you're going down too far. Also keep a moderate pace, don't do them too fast. As far as your injury.. take time off and if it persists see a doctor if you can afford it or have health insurance. Was it around your knee cap (patella) that you got the pain or was it in the back of the knee?

LittleBoy footbag · Post by **LittleBoy footbag** » 31 Jan 2006 13:01

it's on the side...so neith the cap or the back...it's the inside side and it still hurts...so i put some ice...

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 19 Feb 2006 17:13

I found this TOTALLY sweet site on knee strengthening. I have serious knee issues, and these exercises are just what I needed. We should organize this forum better -- there are so many threads on the same topic...

http://www.knee-pain-management.com/knee-exercises.html

( http://www.knee-pain-management.com/ )

LittleBoy footbag · Post by **LittleBoy footbag** » 19 Feb 2006 20:18

hey erik thanks! lol i told one of my friends and he told me that i pulled a muscle...damn. He was right. I never stretch and i guess the excruciating pain is what results from not doing so.

thanks again! i'll read up on this and hopefully avoid a crapout again of my legs

Bander87 · Post by **Bander87** » 20 Feb 2006 08:40

Thank you erik! I'm sure you helped out a ton of other people as well, excellent link.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 11 Apr 2006 19:39

Hmmmm I havent had knee pain before until I tried swirls and they have seemed to fuck my knee up which as prevented me from kicking.....

has anyone else have this problem?

brinard · Post by **brinard** » 11 Apr 2006 19:49

swirls hurt when i was first trying them, prolly cause i was just whipping my leg around. now i got more control, and they dont hurt...

jon · Post by **jon** » 11 Apr 2006 20:12

hackeysnacker wrote:don't go down all the way, u don't want ur legs bent at any more than a 90 degree angle when doing squats

follow the complete opposite of this advice!

stopping at 90 (or slightly above) is the most stressfull stopping point for your knees during a squat and this advice is a common misconception

go down past 90 or better yet all the way down, if you are unable to go this low you are using too much weight

if you find your knees are extending past your toes when you squat down widen your stance and point your toes outwards until this no long happens

hackeysnacker · Post by **hackeysnacker** » 12 Apr 2006 13:18

going all the way down and relaxing ur knees is the most harmful thing u could do

Blue_turnip · Post by **Blue_turnip** » 12 Apr 2006 16:30

Jon, you are wrong.

Layman's proof:

-If one experiences pain in these exercises then he should stop immediately (given).

-When knees bent at > 90 degrees pain is experienced.

-Therefore: You are wrong.

No offence.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 12 Apr 2006 19:27

hackeysnacker wrote:going all the way down and relaxing ur knees is the most harmful thing u could do

It's all about form. Sure it's easier to injure yourself while you do a full squat, but as long as you have correct form this isn't a problem. In fact exercising a larger ROM should be better for your knees, definitely not worse.

Blue_turnip wrote:Jon, you are wrong.

What Jon said had nothing to do with Jericho's initial post, so using Jericho in your argument isn't proving anything.

YOU ARE WRONG!

You can stick with your quarter-squats, I'm out of here.

jon · Post by **jon** » 12 Apr 2006 19:40

cut and pasted from:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi83.htm

Myth #2:
Full Squats (Below Parallel) Are Bad For The Knees.

More squat myths?!?

We've all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl's mocha latte. Well it just ain't true! What's that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today's episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.

The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion.

Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).

Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.

If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat.

Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).

So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you'll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I'm trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades.

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Not that thats the best article on the subject or the most reliable source but it gets the point across.

If you dont agree then please explain why stopping at parrallel is the proper place to stop.

But I also doubt the stopping point of the squat is what is hurting his knee. I am guessing his form is probably off and incorrect. Either allowing his knees to bend inwards or outwards during the exercise or allowing his knees to extend far past his toes.

jon · Post by **jon** » 12 Apr 2006 19:53

Enjoy

Blue_turnip · Post by **Blue_turnip** » 12 Apr 2006 20:57

Johnny wrote:
hackeysnacker wrote:going all the way down and relaxing ur knees is the most harmful thing u could do
It's all about form. Sure it's easier to injure yourself while you do a full squat, but as long as you have correct form this isn't a problem. In fact exercising a larger ROM should be better for your knees, definitely not worse.

Blue_turnip wrote:Jon, you are wrong.
What Jon said had nothing to do with Jericho's initial post, so using Jericho in your argument isn't proving anything.

YOU ARE WRONG!

You can stick with your quarter-squats, I'm out of here.

i wasnt using anyone elses post in my argument to "proove anything". I have problems with my knees and i've been to specialists and they say if I experience pain in doing any exercise stop. Makes sense. I dont expect my kneecap to burst out or anything, all I know is that when I try to do a full squat down I am in agony.

That aside it's pretty much common knowledge that doing exercises that put you in pain you should stop doing.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 16 Apr 2006 18:08

About a month ago I had a 'twinge' in my left knee. I basically just stopped playing for about a week and a half, and it went away. Today I had a sharp twinge in the same knee while trying to show my family footbag in pants and non-lavers. I guess it wasn't a great idea to begin with. I guess I'll hold off again til GRASS. I really hope it's fine by then.

Thanks for those links Erik, I look forward to checking it out!

Edit/Update: I just looked at my knee, and there's some apparent swelling. It doesn't hurt to walk or anything, but putting a 'landing' ammount of support pressure does give it that faint pain. Stretching and rest are on order til GRASS.

xXLoss_of_ControlXx · Post by **xXLoss_of_ControlXx** » 30 Apr 2006 15:53

About a week ago i went to Milwaukee, WI. Thats like an hour and a half drive from chicago, and after a while of sitting my left knee just exploded with pain, and it didnt go away until i pulled over and stood up.

My knee has been like that for months, but it never hurt THAT bad. I think im gunna get it checked out.