Newer is not Nescissarily Better

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 09 May 2007 22:42

I recently upgraded to office 2007, thinking it would be amazing, but word 2007 takes a lot longer to open, and the whole office thing seems to bulky. YUCK! I uninstalled it all except for powerpoint 2007 and excell 2007. There were like 300 megs of shared features I uninstalled too. Lol. For you nerds out there.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 09 May 2007 22:47

I think the problem is clearly your computer. Newer is better if you also have a newer computer. Office 2007 is designed to run on 2007 computers.

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 10 May 2007 00:13

intel core 2 duo 2.4 ghz 4 meg cache
2 gigs ddr2 ram
7200 rpm Hard Disk w/ 16 megs cache
asus p5b mobo

I dont think hardware is the problem.

Do you really think office 2k7 isn't bigger than 2003? Check your task manager memory usage!

Disturbedboy365 · Post by **Disturbedboy365** » 10 May 2007 08:45

2007 is kinda difficult to get used to, especially if you still have to use 2003 at school.

Skippy! · Post by **Skippy!** » 10 May 2007 09:26

Man eff that, I just use Wordpad. All the formatting without all the bullshit, pretty much.

jon · Post by **jon** » 10 May 2007 09:38

I have used 2003 for a long time at work and at home. I now use 2007 at work and at home and have for about 3 months. I like both. 2007 is a step in the right direction for office. I too found is slugglish compared to 2003 but not so much that I downgraded. I would say give it another chance for a longer period of time.

I have to use it as I will soon have to support users who will be using it. If I didn't have to I don't know if I would upgrade/pay for it though.

quadgun · Post by **quadgun** » 10 May 2007 10:01

I think going from 03 to 07 is a big change.

I spent a good 5 minutes looking for the "file" button only to later realize its a circle with a windows logo on it.

DAMN YOU GATES! DAAAAMMN YOOOUUU!!

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 10 May 2007 10:11

I quit using microsoft products in 1995.

I don't see what all the big fuss is about.

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 10 May 2007 10:52

its just whatever of course!! duh cam ..

raise your hand if you spend lots of money on microsoft products?

...

anyone?

Switch Kicker · Post by **Switch Kicker** » 11 May 2007 09:15

My mom has Vista, and Office 2007 on her computer. I can't stand it. XP Media Edition, and Office 2003 is so much better, and organized. '07 has way too much shit, that you almost could never really use. It's bulky, they completely changed most of the layouts, and the only real plus is... Power Point, and Word both look significantly better. They only, LOOK, better.

And yes, Vista, and all the Office '07 programs load terribly slow. My slow ass Adobe Photoshop 7.0 that I got off of LimeWire loads faster than anything on Vista.

I hope Microsoft goes down. Up with Apple.

PegLegHolly · Post by **PegLegHolly** » 11 May 2007 10:05

Apple kicks ass. Microsoft Office X runs on Apple, and solves all the problems that PC users have with Office. My dad has a PC and when he needs help with his computer he comes to me. Every situation always ends up with me saying "Well, it's fixed. But you wouldnt have this problem if you had an Apple."

Pengu · Post by **Pengu** » 11 May 2007 10:19

I want a mac power-button tattoo.

I have to agree, my macs rock. Installing Vista on my dad's PC was a pain in the butt and I've experienced the same performance lag with Office 2007 on the newly updated PC as well Sam. It seemed to have less of a problem on my dad's PC laptop which had a smaller hard drive to run through.

Switch Kicker · Post by **Switch Kicker** » 11 May 2007 10:34

My mom recently got a new HP laptop. She spent $1,400 on it. It really isn't that bad of a laptop either. The only problem is... It's running Windows Vista. Which... really just fucks it up. If it were XP, it'd be a really nice computer. But it's Vista. I'm always having to get on and help her figure shit out because Vista is so retardedly different than XP, it's frustrating.

But here's the kicker. I told her that she could've got a much better computer for two hundred bucks less. Told her she should've got a Mac. And her immediate, ignorant response, is, "Apple computers are garbage, why would you buy those? Blah blah blah." And it's just funny... because she knows NOTHING, about computers... At all. She only knows how to use her programs that she got from work, for work.

And then my dad jumps in and takes her side and says, Apple is crap... All I can think is... omfg... how you can say that, you've never even SEEN one. They're just so fuckin' ignorant about it. My dad can't even get onto the web browser without asking for help. Yet, somehow, he's so opinionated about Microsoft, he'll actually yell over me if we get into an argument about which is better. It's obnoxious.

I hate you Gates.

jon · Post by **jon** » 11 May 2007 14:28

Post the specs of the HP and the mac you are talking about. Mac are over priced.

crazylegs32 · Post by **crazylegs32** » 12 May 2007 20:00

The rate our society tries to progress is depressing. We are just wasting all the worlds recources as if they are ours.

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 13 May 2007 14:48

My friend just spent 800 on a laptop.. but it came with vista. Him and I are going to take it back monday and say he needs a comptuer with XP on it. Then I'm gonna hook him up with the Creative Suite 3 from ADobe and FL studio 7 gyeah!

Blue_turnip · Post by **Blue_turnip** » 15 May 2007 02:02

Microsoft Office sucks, and is a waste of money.

openoffice.org

Bagira · Post by **Bagira** » 15 May 2007 21:05

Newer is not necessarily better, but it tends to be for the most part.

My example is with video card drivers. Hell, any software for that matter. When something first comes out, it's going to be incredibly buggy. It takes a while until these bugs are found and the proper revisions are made.

Which is why plenty of video-card-intensive applications will support some older version of some driver and video card but not the newer one.

In relation to M$ Office, I honestly don't see how any version is better than say...Office '97, which I use to this day. On a sidenote, I must say that I generally opt to install OpenOffince instead of it, but M$ Office has a few features that come in handy once in a while, such as the TRACK CHANGES option in M$ Word. Otherwise, I go with OpenOffice as it's a smaller package in general and it's free.

For cars, newer is better for the most part. Certain features become standard over the years and they become more efficient.

It's just computer-related stuff the I think evades that general principle that newer is better, as recently-made hardware is of particularly shitty quality in general. Also, lots of computer hardware is advertised as NECESSARY to the businesses and consumers, but honestly, it's not. Unless one works in the digital design industry, there's little software that uses the heightened power of dual core CPU/GPUs and faster RAM, buses, and all of that crap. Hell, those new video cards. I think the ATI Radeon X2900 is the newest right now. There are no games out there that can use it to the fullest unless one has a HUGE resolution screen. I'm still doing VERY WELL with my ATI Radeon 9800Pro for all it matters.

All in all, the computer hardware and software industry are desperately trying to convert computers from being durable goods to...less durable goods. After all, I have some 15 year old hard drives at home, which I still use from time to time. They haven't fucked up yet. None of them. However, the more recently built HDs seem as if they are DESIGNED to fuck up as soon as their warranties expire. It's the same with notebooks/laptops. After all, almost everyone in developed countries owns a computer nowadays. If they were durables, then people would buy them at greater intervals, which is completely opposite of what the manufacturers want.

It's complete bullshit.

Oh, and Mac people, Macs are in no way better than regular PCs. It's a matter of opinion. In one case, there are dozens of manufacturers of parts and in the other, there's much fewer manufacturers and thus choice. IMO, Macs are not as upgradable, but in exhange for that, there are fewer bugs around. About OS preference, it largely comes down to personal preference. Neither is more secure than the other; instead, security is in the hands of the user. Both Windows and MacOS tend to have a large resource footprint. Finally, because Apple is the only producer of their products, they are a monopoly of sorts and are able to charge substantially higher prices than one would pay for a PC with the same specs.

Hell, even newer footbags aren't always better as we have to 'break them in' and certain ancient footbags are usually 'choice'...

GAAH! I'm so confused now...

Fething Slaanesh, is this a paradoxical world...

Blue_turnip · Post by **Blue_turnip** » 16 May 2007 03:13

How is computer stuff the one thing that evades the newer is better thing. Its probably the thing that is least likely to evade the newer is better thing.

Computers improve so fast its not funny.

Switch Kicker · Post by **Switch Kicker** » 16 May 2007 21:48

Blue_turnip wrote:How is computer stuff the one thing that evades the newer is better thing. Its probably the thing that is least likely to evade the newer is better thing.

Computers improve so fast its not funny.

To the point that it doesn't mean anything anymore. Can you honestly see a difference, with your human eyes and reflexes, between 16GB of RAM and 8GB of RAM? No,you can't. But it's there, but it doesn't matter to you, because no individual person could possibly use that much fucking RAM.

Now, we're just trying to make the computer smaller and smaller, and pack them into phones, lol.

And soon, they will just be implanted in our bodies... like the matrix. And you can just upload your knowledge.