Ban Kyle Permanently

mc · Post by mc » 06 Apr 2009 10:31

It seems to be that Kyle wants to say whatever he wants all the time, and experience no disagreement, backlash, etc.

He wants to make inflammatory comments, and then, when they receive the predictable inflamed responses, he claims that he is being unfairly attacked, which leads him to justify even worse behavior and even more inflammatory comment making. This is a vicious cycle that Kyle is not able to control.

This is an issue that has come up with Kyle multiple times in the past few years, in a predictable way.

No one can cite any benefit that he offers to the modified community or the footbag community as a whole that can make up for, or otherwise justify, this behavior.

This type of behavior predictably and consistently ruins discussion and sours the mood on the forum.

I vote for a permanent ban.

Anz · Post by **Anz** » 06 Apr 2009 10:53

From time to time this forum has users who trouble the community with trolling and immature acting. Usually they settle after a while.
Kyle has been a member for a long while and a lot of people, including myself, have asked him to start acting like the man he is. I know he will learn how to socialise in an internet community, but I'm tired of waiting.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 06 Apr 2009 10:53

My opponent Matt Cross makes a great arguement. Yes he maybe right but we dont want his change! We want Kyle Hewitts change! I plan on lowering Taxes by 300 percent! I will Reform the school system! I will bring a new era to modified.in!

Kyle Hewitt for Modified.in 2009

Also I voted yes because thats just who I AM BABY *lights up a cigar*

Zac Jackson · Post by **Zac Jackson** » 06 Apr 2009 10:55

YES WE CAN!

Ur · Post by Ur » 06 Apr 2009 13:32

voted

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Apr 2009 15:55

It seems a little unfair of people to be able to anonymously vote somebody off, so to speak. This isn't Survivor.

I voted Yes. While I'm strongly opposed to censorship in most cases, I've yet to see Kyle add anything meaningful to any discussion and it seems unlikely that he'll change unless his situation changes. I actually suggested yesterday in a PM to a mod that he get a ban of some kind since he continually breaches the forum rules. A perm ban may be a little harsh as it doesn't give him a chance to change. Maybe something like a 6 month ban and then a perm ban after that if he doesn't change (and comes back).

While many people's reactions to his posts are also ridiculous, obviously people need to be responsible for their own actions, and if they're not, I think the purpose of any kind of law enforcement is to force them to be accountable.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 06 Apr 2009 16:07

Jeremy wrote:It seems a little unfair of people to be able to anonymously vote somebody off, so to speak. This isn't Survivor.

I voted Yes. While I'm strongly opposed to censorship in most cases, I've yet to see Kyle add anything meaningful to any discussion and it seems unlikely that he'll change unless his situation changes. I actually suggested yesterday in a PM to a mod that he get a ban of some kind since he continually breaches the forum rules. A perm ban may be a little harsh as it doesn't give him a chance to change. Maybe something like a 6 month ban and then a perm ban after that if he doesn't change (and comes back).

While many people's reactions to his posts are also ridiculous, obviously people need to be responsible for their own actions, and if they're not, I think the purpose of any kind of law enforcement is to force them to be accountable.

i wouldnt change

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Apr 2009 16:15

Have fun on 4chan then.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 06 Apr 2009 16:18

Jeremy wrote:Have fun on 4chan then.

lol. LETS DO THIS GUYS. I'M WAITING FOR THE BANHAMMER

zeroman13 · Post by **zeroman13** » 06 Apr 2009 16:32

I voted no. Not because I talk to Kyle semi-regularly, but because everyone can't seem to take his opinion. His opinion is his own and he speaks it every now and then. Almost everything that is said on this forum, except blogs and those who are speaking knowledgeably about something, are speaking from there own opinions.

If everyone can't take what everyone says, when it's there opinion on things, everyone should be banned, even those who do contribute to the forum.

If anyone should be banned, it's the people that take other peoples opinions and blow them out of proportion.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Apr 2009 16:54

The problem is not his opinion. I fully support and defend the rights of people to express their opinions and especially dissenting opinions. It's his lack of decorum. I acknowledge that there are lots of other people with the same problem, but none of them express it with as much frequency as Kyle does, and hopefully the moderators could address those people after they deal with Kyle - who is clearly the biggest offender on the forum.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 06 Apr 2009 17:38

I want to see the evidence.

The fact this topic exists is hilarious.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Apr 2009 17:44

Evidence of what?

zeroman13 · Post by **zeroman13** » 06 Apr 2009 17:53

So he might lack a little politeness. So did everyone that attacked him for stating his opinion. When he stated his opinion he didn't attack anyone, he was just saying what he thought about it. Sure it might've been a little straight forward but all of his posts have been straight to the point.

mc · Post by mc » 06 Apr 2009 17:55

habitat wrote:I want to see the evidence.

The fact this topic exists is hilarious.

anyone else think I'm completely off base?

I suppose that myself and the people who feel that Kyle is a problem on this forum are basing that belief on nothing at all, and that we're just unfairly picking on another footbagger, attacking him for no reason?

Well, I guess if you were to consider my long history of going out of my way to harm and attack other footbaggers, this situation might seem a little more plausible...

oh wait...

I don't have such a history!

Am I suggesting that someone should be banned with no clear evidence of bad behavior?

NO!

I am suggesting that the evidence is all around you, and your request for evidence doesn't suggest so much that you're seeking justice, but more that you're out of touch with this forum and its users.

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also, in response to what Jeremy saying that he thinks it's unfair that someone could just get voted off anonymously...

This is in no way an official vote, and there is no obligation for anyone with the power to make a decision about this to observe or even acknowledge the opinions expressed in this thread and by this poll.

I just wanted to see how the numbers would turn out.

at the time of posting...

3:1 ration in favor of a ban.

mc · Post by mc » 06 Apr 2009 18:07

zeroman13 wrote:So he might lack a little politeness. So did everyone that attacked him for stating his opinion. When he stated his opinion he didn't attack anyone, he was just saying what he thought about it. Sure it might've been a little straight forward but all of his posts have been straight to the point.

The problem is not that he lacks politeness!!!!

the problem is that he lacks politeness, and when people treat him like an impolite person, he acts like he is being attacked for no reason (when, in reality, he is receiving justified reactions / criticisms)

so he then starts to lack even more politeness! until he has no politeness at all and just degrades the situation into a flame war.

he invites attack with his harsh demeanor and then acts like it's unprovoked and he's being mistreated!

he does this consistently throughout recent history, in a way that consistently ruins discussion, and I don't see how you could argue otherwise. Furthermore, he offers no contribution to justify his less desirable personality traits.

I don't see how anyone who's been a regular user of this forum in recent history could deny this.

How many people have actually been punished by the mod staff? 3? 4? Sam Colclough, Damon Matthews, maybe Dan Fearey, and Kyle Hewitt.

I'm not making this stuff up.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Apr 2009 19:14

1. People are responsible for their own actions. Kyle was certainly provoked in some topics but he still chose the manner of his responses. There are also a number of topics where he's blatantly broken the forum rules without provocation.

2. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'd suggest instead of letting Kyle off because other people also behaved badly, that the people who also behaved badly should also be disciplined. Obviously they haven't had as many indiscretions as Kyle and should be judged on their own merits. Personal abuse should not be tolerated at all and people who are incapable of responding to a disagreement of opinion without personal abuse should be weeded off the forum, the internet and society.

3. I wasn't suggesting that this was a formal vote, but just that I don't think it's very cool for people to anonymously suggest that Kyle be permanently banned (through the medium of voting in this poll) and that people should comment along with their vote so that Kyle can see who is attacking him. People who aren't prepared to express their opinions openly shouldn't be entitled to do so anonymously.

4.

Matt Cross wrote:Furthermore, he offers no contribution to justify his less desirable personality traits.

I think this is the most important factor. Not only is he disruptive, but he doesn't add any positive content to the forum. There are plenty of people who resort to personal abuse when they are challenged who still add meaningful content to the forum and losing those people would be to our detriment. Losing Kyle doesn't appear to have any negative impact on the rest of the forum.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 06 Apr 2009 19:29

i say props in videos and stuff come on im only like 98 percent useless

zeroman13 · Post by **zeroman13** » 06 Apr 2009 19:39

He has added some positive criticisms in the video section. It seems like everyone now just says "great video" or just gives props. Kyle's given some advice to others about drilling basics and stuff, and that person ended up blowing up at that and tore him a new one.

It's kind of hard to change a persons ways when no one on the forum noticed his trying to change.

david · Post by **david** » 06 Apr 2009 19:55

It really saddens me that you all spend your time worrying about such a silly thing. All you have to do is click ignore on his posts if you don't want to read them. You have the power to ban him already with that button.

I like all of you and think you are all smart. It is a waste of your talents and energies to post about things like this.

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