myachi is lame
myachi is lame
i've never been a fan of myachi simply because it's so easy. any 4th grader with 2 arms could become a myachi master. seriously have you looked at this move list - it's worse than footbag.com. why do they have to add sound effects? is it because they realize how bored they are? http://myachi.com/beginner-trick.html recently i discovered that inventor of the myachi Steven Ochs, went to college here in nashville. what got my attention is when he called myachi, "the evolution of hacky sack". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVHfHydYlyg i disagree.
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I think that guy in the video is lame. That's a very stupid thing to say.
This guy right here does some interesting tricks mixed with footbag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5nE2tRmIHE
I have no interest in playing myachi, but I wouldn't say it's lame.
That's doing exactly what soccer people does to footbag.
Also who knows how far the myachi tricks can evolve... look at what happened to footbag in 3 decades.
This guy right here does some interesting tricks mixed with footbag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5nE2tRmIHE
I have no interest in playing myachi, but I wouldn't say it's lame.
That's doing exactly what soccer people does to footbag.
Also who knows how far the myachi tricks can evolve... look at what happened to footbag in 3 decades.
Well said, bro. I would never call a skill toy lame, though I've seen some people who are pretty lame at skill toys. Here's another solid vid of somebody with Myachi skills, though he does very little foot work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9kuV4nEeM
In the interest of full disclosure, Myachi is a company my friends and I started together. As much as I loved footbag in college, it is hard to deny that it isn't a very eclectic sport. Most people can't play and most people who do aren't very good.
The whole idea behind Myachi was to add an element that would allow everybody to get into the game but still offer the challenges of footbag for those who want them. The fact that a 4th grader can play isn't exactly a bad thing.
Another positive of Myachi is that it brings a lot of people into footbag. People who might have been intimidated by the difficulty of footbag very often pick Myachi up quickly. Once they master a few hand tricks they usually start doing the basic foot moves as well. Here's a perfect example of a kid that couldn't do a toe stall when I met him. This is after about 3 months playing Myachi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjoUdSLKRk
Now sure, he's no Klouda, but it's a perfect example of how weening oneself on to an easier skill toy can help with another. Afterall, nobody starts off juggling flaming torches. Rather they start with something easy and get a bit tougher one trick at a time.
Now, as for the people calling it lame, well that's to be expected. That's exactly what everybody said about footbag back in the 80s, it's what everybody said about skateboarding and it's what all the skateboarders said about all the extreme sports that followed.
People who are good at one thing but not a lot of things usually defend their inabilities by labeling the things they don't do as "lame" or "stupid" or "gay" or whatever. Of course, Elliot didn't even link to the "advanced" section on the website (not that any of those tricks would challenge a seasoned footbagger), but rather the beginner, day one, you just opened your myachi section.
And of course, if Myachi is "so easy any 4th grader with arms can be a Myachi Master" then I guess footbag must be even easier (maybe a one armed third grader level?) since every trick that can be done in footbag can also be done with a Myachi.
I find it funny that 90% of the footbaggers I've met have reacted negatively to Myachi. The rule seems to be that the better they are at footbag, the more they like Myachi. I guess that makes sense. Most people who are true masters of any skill toy tend to appreciate all skill toys.
So, in closing, let's see your video Elliott. Nut up or shut up, as they say. If you can do 1 Trick with a footbag that I can't match with my Myachi, I'll apologize for calling you out.
Somehow I don't think I'm going to have to do that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9kuV4nEeM
In the interest of full disclosure, Myachi is a company my friends and I started together. As much as I loved footbag in college, it is hard to deny that it isn't a very eclectic sport. Most people can't play and most people who do aren't very good.
The whole idea behind Myachi was to add an element that would allow everybody to get into the game but still offer the challenges of footbag for those who want them. The fact that a 4th grader can play isn't exactly a bad thing.
Another positive of Myachi is that it brings a lot of people into footbag. People who might have been intimidated by the difficulty of footbag very often pick Myachi up quickly. Once they master a few hand tricks they usually start doing the basic foot moves as well. Here's a perfect example of a kid that couldn't do a toe stall when I met him. This is after about 3 months playing Myachi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjoUdSLKRk
Now sure, he's no Klouda, but it's a perfect example of how weening oneself on to an easier skill toy can help with another. Afterall, nobody starts off juggling flaming torches. Rather they start with something easy and get a bit tougher one trick at a time.
Now, as for the people calling it lame, well that's to be expected. That's exactly what everybody said about footbag back in the 80s, it's what everybody said about skateboarding and it's what all the skateboarders said about all the extreme sports that followed.
People who are good at one thing but not a lot of things usually defend their inabilities by labeling the things they don't do as "lame" or "stupid" or "gay" or whatever. Of course, Elliot didn't even link to the "advanced" section on the website (not that any of those tricks would challenge a seasoned footbagger), but rather the beginner, day one, you just opened your myachi section.
And of course, if Myachi is "so easy any 4th grader with arms can be a Myachi Master" then I guess footbag must be even easier (maybe a one armed third grader level?) since every trick that can be done in footbag can also be done with a Myachi.
I find it funny that 90% of the footbaggers I've met have reacted negatively to Myachi. The rule seems to be that the better they are at footbag, the more they like Myachi. I guess that makes sense. Most people who are true masters of any skill toy tend to appreciate all skill toys.
So, in closing, let's see your video Elliott. Nut up or shut up, as they say. If you can do 1 Trick with a footbag that I can't match with my Myachi, I'll apologize for calling you out.
Somehow I don't think I'm going to have to do that...
ok - I'll retract my lame statement. I like this guy better:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqES24g2tE[/youtube]
Still think your buddy ripped off every bar in America. We seriously did this with lighters in high school some 20 years ago. In circles no less.
I can see it progressing to levels of ridiculousness , and that makes it not lame.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqES24g2tE[/youtube]
Still think your buddy ripped off every bar in America. We seriously did this with lighters in high school some 20 years ago. In circles no less.
I can see it progressing to levels of ridiculousness , and that makes it not lame.
Go out and shred already.
~Damon Mathews
~Damon Mathews
Pretty rough treatment for the guy, honestly, and he responded with a class post as well.
Props to him for inventing a game that a lot of people (other then footbaggers it seems) enjoy, and if it's mainly kids well then good for them, and even more props for making a living off of it. I can't imagine the work involved, especially at first!
Haters gonna hate....
Props to him for inventing a game that a lot of people (other then footbaggers it seems) enjoy, and if it's mainly kids well then good for them, and even more props for making a living off of it. I can't imagine the work involved, especially at first!
Haters gonna hate....
Nicholas Laroche
Dude, he called footbag a "skill toy." Is this not the sort of statement that we're fighting vigorously against in this community? We went so far as to deny the hacky sack company from funding Worlds this year because they market our sport as a toy (yes, I'm serious).Laroche wrote:Pretty rough treatment for the guy, honestly, and he responded with a class post as well.
I'll take issue with anyone who calls footbag a toy, no matter how nicely they say it or how nice a person they may actually be. It's not hate. It's sticking up for what's right.
"Myachi" isn't "lame" if you enjoy it and find it fun. But to compare it directly to footbag? Fuck that.
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I certainly agree that footbag is not a "skill toy", but I also certainly disagree with the way we chose to express our opinion. Why not just be reasonable about it, and send them a well written letter, or something equally eloquent? Why the need to, out of the blue, just bash them, and when they answer, bash then some more?
Do you really think that will get them to stop calling footbag a skill toy, or have, you know, more of an opposite effect? The way you present yourself is as important as the message itself when getting the point across. You also can't ignore the similarities of someone making fun of or being disdainful of footbag in the same way for the very same thing as what was just done here.
Personally, my experience of myachi was being at the tam-tams shredding, and this guy I never met just walks in our circle with lavers and good style. He busts some guiltless and chats with us for a while, mentions myachi, whips it out and shows us some stuff and gives us all a free one, and then buys us pizza. If I remember right, his name was Sebastien and he's one of the founding members.
It's also marketed a lot to kids, and I just don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like their some evil poltical team rampaging across the nation demanding that they stop calling footbag a sport; rather, I think it's just a marketing gimmik to help them group myachi into footbag's category and hopefully get some cross-over clients. Frankly there's nothing wrong with that, sometimes you just have to do what you have to do to sell your product.
Also, of course kids would get into footbag because of myachi. Finally, they do a better job of selling themselves then we do. If we get the next great player in footbag from a young myachi kid, who's the winner? And why does there need to be a loser?
Anyway that was a bit of a rant, but basically, there's no need to not be polite, people are people.
Do you really think that will get them to stop calling footbag a skill toy, or have, you know, more of an opposite effect? The way you present yourself is as important as the message itself when getting the point across. You also can't ignore the similarities of someone making fun of or being disdainful of footbag in the same way for the very same thing as what was just done here.
Personally, my experience of myachi was being at the tam-tams shredding, and this guy I never met just walks in our circle with lavers and good style. He busts some guiltless and chats with us for a while, mentions myachi, whips it out and shows us some stuff and gives us all a free one, and then buys us pizza. If I remember right, his name was Sebastien and he's one of the founding members.
It's also marketed a lot to kids, and I just don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like their some evil poltical team rampaging across the nation demanding that they stop calling footbag a sport; rather, I think it's just a marketing gimmik to help them group myachi into footbag's category and hopefully get some cross-over clients. Frankly there's nothing wrong with that, sometimes you just have to do what you have to do to sell your product.
Also, of course kids would get into footbag because of myachi. Finally, they do a better job of selling themselves then we do. If we get the next great player in footbag from a young myachi kid, who's the winner? And why does there need to be a loser?
Anyway that was a bit of a rant, but basically, there's no need to not be polite, people are people.
Nicholas Laroche
Thanks, Laroche.
And dude, if the term 'skill-toy' bothers you, my bad. I consider skateboards to be skill toys, I consider soccer balls to be skill-toys, I consider juggling props to be skill-toys. If you look online at skill-toy lists you will find that those who use the term generally include footbag.
But it is certainly not meant as an insult to footbag or to the practicioners of the game. Most people have trouble seeing an individual exhibition as a sport (net notwithstanding) but I understand your frustration. I was involved with the World Juggling Federation for a while and we combatted the stigma that juggling was not a "legitimate" sport.
Oh, and thanks for the link to the Peter Irish video. I had the good fortune to meet him back in... 07 I think it was, in Orlando. He took to Myachi right away and I even talked him into autographing one for me.
And dude, if the term 'skill-toy' bothers you, my bad. I consider skateboards to be skill toys, I consider soccer balls to be skill-toys, I consider juggling props to be skill-toys. If you look online at skill-toy lists you will find that those who use the term generally include footbag.
But it is certainly not meant as an insult to footbag or to the practicioners of the game. Most people have trouble seeing an individual exhibition as a sport (net notwithstanding) but I understand your frustration. I was involved with the World Juggling Federation for a while and we combatted the stigma that juggling was not a "legitimate" sport.
Oh, and thanks for the link to the Peter Irish video. I had the good fortune to meet him back in... 07 I think it was, in Orlando. He took to Myachi right away and I even talked him into autographing one for me.
1. Myachi is lame.
2. So is footbag, so is beatboxing.
3. So is any sport when you stop and think about it. "Hey, let's throw a ball at you, you hit it with a stick, and then run around in circles."
Frankly, no sport is inherently lamer than any other. Some are easier, some are harder. Some reward you monetarily for playing, some don't. Some are about beating your opponent, some are about challenging yourself. Life's too short to worry about what other people do. If you find a hobby that gives you pleasure and fulfillment and doesn't hurt other people, then great. If somebody finds a different hobby they like, more power to them.
Sebastien raises an interesting point by noting that "not everybody can play footbag," and that myachi is an easier way for more people to enjoy some of the pleasures of linking footbag tricks. While I don't like the idea that footbag is impossible for some people, there is probably a grain of truth to that. I'm 5'7, and can't jump, which means I can't dunk on a normal height basket. There have been a few times at the local gym where I found a basket that had been lowered for kids, and I had the best time dunking on it. Is it lame that I enjoyed dunking on a lower basket? If somebody is incapable of playing footbag, is it that bad that they can enjoy similar pleasure through myachi? I'd argue it isn't.
2. So is footbag, so is beatboxing.
3. So is any sport when you stop and think about it. "Hey, let's throw a ball at you, you hit it with a stick, and then run around in circles."
Frankly, no sport is inherently lamer than any other. Some are easier, some are harder. Some reward you monetarily for playing, some don't. Some are about beating your opponent, some are about challenging yourself. Life's too short to worry about what other people do. If you find a hobby that gives you pleasure and fulfillment and doesn't hurt other people, then great. If somebody finds a different hobby they like, more power to them.
Sebastien raises an interesting point by noting that "not everybody can play footbag," and that myachi is an easier way for more people to enjoy some of the pleasures of linking footbag tricks. While I don't like the idea that footbag is impossible for some people, there is probably a grain of truth to that. I'm 5'7, and can't jump, which means I can't dunk on a normal height basket. There have been a few times at the local gym where I found a basket that had been lowered for kids, and I had the best time dunking on it. Is it lame that I enjoyed dunking on a lower basket? If somebody is incapable of playing footbag, is it that bad that they can enjoy similar pleasure through myachi? I'd argue it isn't.
I can't recall where I learned this, but apparently bored soldiers in WWII played myachi with lighters to pass the time. The Myachi guys may have even based the design of Myachi based on this...Sebastien? But yeah, playing myachi with lighters goes back at least 50 years earlier than 1990.FlexThis wrote:Still think your buddy ripped off every bar in America. We seriously did this with lighters in high school some 20 years ago.
wow this topic really fired up while i was away! i think it's pretty awesome that one of the myachi masters from the website responed. crazyivan myachi is still lame, but it's just an opinion of a footbagging 30 yr old. if i were 12 years old it might look awesome. i'm a net/takraw player & i rarely break out the lavers anymore, so i don't feel obliged to nut up. my main objection to myachi is that Steven Ochs called it , "the evolution of hacky sack" & i couldn't disagree more.
Steve's buzz phrase should've been, "myachi is the lazy man's hacky sack".
other footbaggers opinions on myachi http://www.footbag.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4385
Steve's buzz phrase should've been, "myachi is the lazy man's hacky sack".
other footbaggers opinions on myachi http://www.footbag.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4385
Last edited by Elliott on 24 Sep 2010 09:32, edited 2 times in total.
Myachi seems to only get you so far. Can it get me laid? I get laid on the daily when I bust out my footbag skills at school. Can anyone vouch for to the panty-dropping power of myachi? How long does it take to get to the level where you can get a girl wet from at least 195 feet away?
Another thing, do I actually have to remove my ball sack to play myachi? Of course this would conflict with my original purpose of picking it up in the first place. I am interested in playing myachi but I want to make sure I will get the returns similar to all of the other skill toys I play with like piano, guitar, fork, book reading and shoelace tying.
Another thing, do I actually have to remove my ball sack to play myachi? Of course this would conflict with my original purpose of picking it up in the first place. I am interested in playing myachi but I want to make sure I will get the returns similar to all of the other skill toys I play with like piano, guitar, fork, book reading and shoelace tying.
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I actually was given a Myachi as a Christmas gift from a good buddy of mine last year, because it was checkered and it slightly resembled a footbag 
I think it sucks to call an interesting hobby "lame". Just like footbag, Myachi takes some skill and dedication... now of course that skill is easily learned by little bastard 10 year olds in cool clothes, but it's still a skill. And in the one trick tutorial in the first link provided Advanced Tricks> Mojo Risin' (weeeakkk name btw) ), they even mention the word "footbag", so at least they're aware of our sport's real name.
It's actually not as easy as these guys make it look, especially to "shred" with one. If you've ever tried it, then you know what I mean.
However, I think there are some weak parts to this activity... these include:
1. The stupid rings they include with Myachis
2. The self-promoting they do with all the "Myachi" clothing
3. 10 year olds shredding with pedophiles???
4. Trick names.... Wavy Gravy..? REALLY???
Just because this whole thing has been brought up, I'm going to start practicing Myachi. I feel as if it may satisfy the same receptors as footbag does (juggling does this for me, as well). It's still stalling a bag with a body part, and performing dexterities with it, it's not much different aside from the whole foot vs hand idea. "Evolution of hacky sack"... perhaps not. But when your legs are dead from freestyle, it might be a cool way to get your fix.
I think it sucks to call an interesting hobby "lame". Just like footbag, Myachi takes some skill and dedication... now of course that skill is easily learned by little bastard 10 year olds in cool clothes, but it's still a skill. And in the one trick tutorial in the first link provided Advanced Tricks> Mojo Risin' (weeeakkk name btw) ), they even mention the word "footbag", so at least they're aware of our sport's real name.
It's actually not as easy as these guys make it look, especially to "shred" with one. If you've ever tried it, then you know what I mean.
However, I think there are some weak parts to this activity... these include:
1. The stupid rings they include with Myachis
2. The self-promoting they do with all the "Myachi" clothing
3. 10 year olds shredding with pedophiles???
4. Trick names.... Wavy Gravy..? REALLY???
Just because this whole thing has been brought up, I'm going to start practicing Myachi. I feel as if it may satisfy the same receptors as footbag does (juggling does this for me, as well). It's still stalling a bag with a body part, and performing dexterities with it, it's not much different aside from the whole foot vs hand idea. "Evolution of hacky sack"... perhaps not. But when your legs are dead from freestyle, it might be a cool way to get your fix.