Spinning Ducking

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 06 Apr 2011 15:01

Recently I have been doing what I though was spinning ducking stuff and I went to youtube in search of finding some cool videos and what I realized was that what otger people were doing was called spinning ducking but it wasnt. They were doing gyro ducking. Ill post the videos because Im not knocking them, rather I am confused.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhIeg6y2UM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myy3GBATXxg[/youtube]

I'm not looking for tips. I am just wondering why this is not called gyro ducking. And if this is spinning ducking what is the real "spinning ducking" called? Sorry for the n00b question.

Zeb Jackson · Post by **Zeb Jackson** » 06 Apr 2011 15:19

well if you think about it, if you did a full spin...and then ducked it wouldnt it be gyro diving? I think the reasoning behind calling it spinning ducking is because generally even though your ducking it, during the duck part of the spinning component is still being finished its like alpine blurry whirl without the duck its still a blurry whirl, but because you ducked it, in the middle of the trick it became alpine.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 06 Apr 2011 15:45

Yeah I was gonna say something about gyro diving and yeah gyro diving=full spinning ducking. But idk I just wasnt sure if there was something I wasnt missing. It just seemed weird that a spinning ducking clipper would end on the same clipper it started on.

edit: Nevermind rather than trying to understand the naming system stuff I'll just hit moves.

Jazzkid · Post by **Jazzkid** » 07 Apr 2011 00:03

Footbagger007 wrote:
edit: Nevermind rather than trying to understand the naming system stuff I'll just hit moves.

+1,

But I do feel that it is helpful to put names on tricks to distinguish one component or trick from the other ...
gyro diving DOES NOT EQUAL full spinning ducking.......gryo diving is a slight turnaround not a full spin

on right clipper...to set the bag straight up and turn to the right and catch a clipper on right foot is ONE full spinning .........

one full spin + another half spin is then spinning+gyro clipper. 1 1/2 spins landing on felt clipper...

ducking is one side to the other
weaving is same direction as ducking but to same side
diving is opposite direction as ducking but to same side
zule is same direction as weaving but opp side

the spin just gets added BEFORE the ducking compents

the first example of videos was my first succesful attempts at swirling spinning ducking butterfly or "Spiral Butterfly" (spiral = swirling spinning ducking). I think I may me the first person to hit this. The name whirl to you hurl was given when it was put on the shred global website but i never named it...Abshire named the concept spiral...and its a good descriptions of what I feel like the trick requires...... there is no whirl in the trick......Ive hit it better

Radek · Post by **Radek** » 07 Apr 2011 04:57

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Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 07 Apr 2011 14:05

Originally "gyro" referred to tricks that were spin>near side dex without a plant. So like gyro mirage, vortex, mobius etc. Tricks that had no dex therefore couldn't be "gyro." However more recently the term gyro has been used to refer to any trick that is spinning>near side component - hence gyro clipper etc. Some tricks were named before the term was broadened, so the convention doesn't hold for all moves.

I also think that "spinning ducking" is ok because the bag finishes on the far side after the spin. If somebody said they hit "gyro ducking whirl" I'd be thinking of a gyro whirl with a duck, rather than maelstrom. I don't think that ducks and dives really can be considered near or far side components because it gets too confusing. Especially when you include weaving and zulu, ducks and dives tell you where the bag comes from and is going to. They're not just a component, but an "adjective."

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 09 Apr 2011 13:19

Thanks for all your help. Jeremy, if somebody said they hit gyro ducking whirl, maelstrom is what I would have picture but I think I have an understanding closer to what is correct.

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 11 Apr 2011 13:16

The trick is spinning butterfly, not gyro butterfly. Duck modifies the trick.

Spinning ducking-butterfly. The duck modified the trick butterfly, not the spin.

Think of ducking butterfly as the trick. Now imagine the spinning version of that trick.

Similarly, gyro ducking-whirl is not spinning ducking-whirl. Again, the duck modifies the trick, whirl.

cd · Post by cd » 12 Apr 2011 23:27

Side note, in case you aren't already aware of this:

If you set from a left side (right foot) clipper and do a back spin, the bag is considered to be coming from your right side. Make sense?

That is why spinning whirl is paradox. It's a far whirl. Gyro whirl is a near whirl.

It's why spinning ducking butterfly is a duck and not a dive.

cd · Post by cd » 12 Apr 2011 23:34

Also, here is a clear way of determining the correct name of a trick consisting of both a spin and a duck. Not knocking on anyone else's explanation, but reading all of this sounds confusing. It is much simpler than it sounds here. Please bear with me...

It goes like this: spinning whirl is always "spinning", regardless of what duck/dive you add to the trick. A gyro torque is always "gyro", regardless of what duck/dive you add to the trick. The terms "spinning" and "gyro" don't have anything to do with the duck/dive. The terms ducking, diving, weaving, and zulu already have their own description built into them.

Jeremy said,"If somebody said they hit 'gyro ducking whirl' I'd be thinking of a gyro whirl with a duck"... and I think he was getting at the same point I'm making. This logic applies across the board.

If you encounter a trick that has both a spinning element and a ducking element, break it down. Ask yourself what that trick would be called if it didn't go around your head. Pick spinning or gyro. Then build on that.

So to repeat what I just said in a different manner: You need to know two things really well.
1. When to use spinning vs gyro.
2. When to use ducking vs diving (vs weaving vs zulu).

...and when you come across a trick that has a spin/gyro AND a duck/dive, there are *no new rules*. Easy.

(Maelstrom without the duck is a spinning whirl. The trick is spinning ducking whirl, just to clear that one up.)

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 13 Apr 2011 06:08

Well put, Chris.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 13 Apr 2011 14:41

I think if you read the OP, the question is "why is it like this?" rather than asking for how it's named. Because footbag names have developed based on what people could hit, rather than any systematic thought that took into account what might be hit in the future, there is no simple answer.