Increasing the Popularity of Footbag

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Increasing the Popularity of Footbag

Post by Jorden » 12 Dec 2006 02:15

It's 4 am and I can't sleep. This is what's on my mind...

From just over 5 years of playing footbag, I've noticed some common trends in the general public's reaction to our sport and players' attitudes towards promoting it.

First off, the majority of players want to see the sport expand in many ways, such as number of players, corporate sponsorships, media coverage, competition funding, etc. Knowing what we want is a good start.

From my personal experience, here is a list of problems integrated into our sport, hindering its ability to become more recognized and prosper:

(Solely my opinion -- sorry if any of this appears blunt)

1. Footbag tricks are getting more complex. The untrained eye cannot travel at the rate of the bag. It becomes harder to distinguish subtle differences when a variety of multiple dexterity moves -- hence, common advanced shred moves may appear similar or even identical to the viewer.

2. The entire general public is far behind the times of modern freestyle. Perceptions of what is the epitome of footbag is neither accurate nor representative of today. The majority consider kicks to be the main aspect of footbag, and the most desirable attrribute to have is a high number of kicks. This MUST change.

3. Footbags are too small/not visible enough. Even with relatively simple tricks, distinguishing a small airborne footbag from the surroundings (i.e. background) is not an easy task. This is true especially when the bag has faded or dull colouring of panels. Visibility HAS to be considered more highly in public performances.

4. There are not enough internet/commercial footbag videos geared towards promotion/public viewing. Even with the greatest footage of the best players, with 1. and 3. true the video will have limited success. The focus must be towards audience comprehensibility/appreciability.

5. Players don't perform/practice in public as much as potentially possible. (self-explanatory)

6. Routines/stage performances are generally not paced enough to allow for a viewer to become progressively more immersed in the sport and understand the increasing difficulty levels.

7. To the uninitiated, footbag (Hacky Sack) isn't dangerous, thrilling, nor extreme. :(

8. Players often don't have promotional materials available when confronted by interested observer(s). This includes personal information, a brief description of the sport, and resources (like footbag.org, clubs in the area and sites to buy shred equipment).

9. More videos must be geared towards effective basics instruction. As serious players continue to improve, the tendency for beginners is to observe these players and rush through the basics. We need easily accessible videos to emphasize the importance of form and consistency for foundation moves (basic kicks!).

10. For videos and performances, clothing should not distract from the airborne footbag. There should be a significant colour/shade difference between shred clothing and the footbag. It is not you that should be the main feature in performances, but the bag itself. :wink:

Let's show the world there are no physical limits -- only that of the imagination. Show them the true light -- the aesthetic and prestigious sport of freestyle footbag.

I'll post my suggested solutions to these problems when I wake up in the morning.

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Post by MatS21 » 12 Dec 2006 08:14

I'll post my suggested solutions to these problems when I wake up in the morning.
Ahh happy to read that, I was reading all your points that are all true and I was telling myself, yeah, but how do we solve that, he needs to add more than that!

For the first point, it's true, but it can be solve by getting the sport bigger, just like rollerblade or skateboard, if lot of people know the basics, even if they don't see every little differences in each tricks, it should interest them.

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Post by janis » 12 Dec 2006 16:32

Jorden wrote:9. More videos must be geared towards effective basics instruction. As serious players continue to improve, the tendency for beginners is to observe these players and rush through the basics. We need easily accessible videos to emphasize the importance of form and consistency for foundation moves (basic kicks!).
totally agree on this one

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Post by slapdash21 » 12 Dec 2006 18:34

Captain Kirk wrote:3. Footbags are too small/not visible enough. Even with relatively simple tricks, distinguishing a small airborne footbag from the surroundings (i.e. background) is not an easy task. This is true especially when the bag has faded or dull colouring of panels. Visibility HAS to be considered more highly in public performances.

i literally today had a friend of mine who has only seen footbag a few times ask today if i didnt sometimes use more brightly colored bags so they would be more visible.
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Post by smokefree » 12 Dec 2006 19:25

one thing ive noticed is people are always wowed by footbag and want to learn it or at least know more. Hell, ive had plenty of people ask about how to get into it and play with me often, but the point is most of them eventually wonder off and quit after being frustrated by the fundementals... I think a big problem is people are lazy. But thats just human nature.
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Post by professor » 12 Dec 2006 19:29

Jorden, I'm interested in what you think about performing footbag for talent shows and such. I know you were just apart of one, but that was for $50,000, so it's a little different. :wink:

Do you think footbag should be showcased to the public as much as possible, or do you think being apart of a talent/variety show gives the public a wrong impression of footbag? Like it's a talent not a serious sport.
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Post by funklovesfootbag » 12 Dec 2006 21:04

Though it would be nice for more people to know about and respect/appreciate freestyle, I like the fact that it's a relatively small community, I love the fact that everyone knows each other and (mostly,) are very friendly and courteous.

It also feels like it's about the love of the game more so than other sports; you cheer your friends on in competition rather than hope they do poorly.

I haven't put a ton of thought into this but I'm not sure getting bigger is a good thing..i was attracted to footbag in the first place because i had never seen it before and knew that it wasn't common.

Jorden, what do you think the benefits of increasing popularity would be?
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Post by Senor Grommet » 13 Dec 2006 08:18

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Post by Iron Clad Ben » 13 Dec 2006 10:58

Fletch and Jeremy,
You guys have a pretty good crew up in SC. 5 or 6 regulars plus more peeps here and there right? Not every area is fortunate enough to have that. In my town we have 4 including me, and one guy is moving out of town. There are tons of solo shredders all over the place, and I'm sure most of them wish they had more people to play with (Jeremy told me he almost always shredded solo till he came to SC).

I think most of us would like to see a small to medium size increase in popularity. Nothing huge. Just to be able to have a crew of 10-15 people in your city to be able to shred with. Most of us don't have that. Plus more people would be mean more regional events (jams & tournies).

I think an increase in popularity would be good, the number of people playing could triple and the sport would still be "underground". Don't you think?

IFPA will be appointing a membership director before the new year. Maybe we should ask them to start some sort of recruitment initiative?

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Post by dyalander » 13 Dec 2006 14:59

I would add to Jorden's list that:
Players are currently not very good at organising themselves and should make more effort to get involved with existing organisations such as the IFPA, and filling in glaring holes such as setting up a U.S. Footbag Organisation (although one might have been set up - I have heard U.S. National Championships discussed at various times??).
In the IFPA we have an organisation which is well placed to facsilitate large amounts of exposure (as it already does through Worlds and footbag.org), but personally I believe it has a long way to go before it becomes as important to freestyle footbag as it should be - and the first step is for it to have a larger base of active members from the freestyle community, who can make sure things such as rule updates, event sanctioning procedures, and regional development, all run smoothly. If something is to be considered to be a sport by the community it needs to be clearly run like a sport. Things like uniform "official" competition rules, and links between all levels of organisation (from the IFPA>National Asscosiations>Local Clubs>Individual footbaggers) are key to this.
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Post by Jorden » 13 Dec 2006 22:53

Heh. Sorry for the wait. Right in the middle of final exams.

Here are some (unique?) solutions I came up with.

:arrow: Footbags need to stand out amongst their surroundings. We need brighter, more striking colours of bags of larger size. The most eye-catching colour pattern is to have one uniform solid colour imo. The most ideal colours are pure white or anything neon/fluorescent.

:arrow: Everyone should have at least one larger, eye-catching bag. It should be used sparingly, and washed when necessary to maintain the colour. This bag would be meant for busking/stage performances/demonstrations/online promotional videos only-- Not for training sessions.

:arrow: When playing publicly to demonstrate the sport, practice simplifying many of your moves, using a wide variety of concepts and hold your delays on your foot longer on average (ex. people might not understand clipper right away, so doing a ripwalk might lose them). For public routines, pace your tricks so that there is increasing difficulty all the way to the very end.

:arrow: Have (at least) business cards handy when playing publicly. Or better yet, some photocopies of a one-page flyer with basic footbag info and some online resources. Make sure that anyone that stopped you and seems interested walks away w/ some sort of starting point for picking up the game. Or at the very least, they can contact you for more information (or hiring reasons :) )

:arrow: Online footbag promotional videos:

This is a big one. Take a look at Parkour for example -- virtually unnoticed a couple years ago (on the forum as well) until a steady slew of influential videos promoting the sport made it online. Websites like youtube and myspace helped the popularity, and video titles like "Real Life Ninja" were key. Seeing this sort of thing, and the general trends of internet surfers, here's what I think we need for footbag promo vids on the web:

1) MORE of them!!! Even if it's just basics. A lot of people get blown away by simply a legover or mirage. Bag visibility and non-distracting clothing/backgrounds are key.

2) Make as many references or URL links as possible to good promotional videos on popular websites among our average demographic (youtube, myspace, facebook, etc.) and popular forums under the "Everything Else" or "Sports" category.

3) Video Titles are crucial. For youtube, a lot of times the simpler the title the better. Don't put every aspect of the video in the title. Note -- putting "Hacky Sack" in a title is a good idea if it will get more people to watch it. Make sure you give the sport's correct name somewhere and places to find more info either in the video or in its description.

* I typed in "crazy skill" in youtube to see what gets the most views.
These were the most common videos that came up: freestyle soccer, soccer goals, basketball dunks, breakdancing, and parkour. If you possess any of these additional skills, consider including them in a vid!
Also, look at the video tags they use and see if any apply to your vid.

Some good and simple titles for youtube or whatever are:

Hacky Sack Master

Ronaldinho Moves (*people are crazy about Ronaldinho! It will likely catch their attention and maybe even convert them. hehe)

Hacky Sack -- Impossible Tricks :wiink:

Defying Gravity

Extreme Footbag

Crazy Underground Sport

Hardcore Hacky Sack

etc.

We should try and submit some of us playing footbag to the Nike Soccer Chain video. That shit's popular.

4) Video Length is also really important. The ideal length of a footbag vid geared towards the public should be between 90 seconds and 3 minutes. The 2 Vasek videos most popular on youtube are 1:40 and 2:40 in length. My most popular vid on there is the shortest one (TNT Session) at 3:40 -- but I have some dead space at the end.
So basically after the 3 minute mark, people's minds kinda shut off and everything starts to look the same. Keep that in mind! :wink:

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So that's everything. Please add your own suggestions.

Let's put this sport on the map :D.

Best of luck,

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Post by smokefree » 14 Dec 2006 01:49

Iron Clad Ben wrote:Fletch and Jeremy,
You guys have a pretty good crew up in SC. 5 or 6 regulars plus more peeps here and there right? Not every area is fortunate enough to have that. In my town we have 4 including me, and one guy is moving out of town. There are tons of solo shredders all over the place, and I'm sure most of them wish they had more people to play with (Jeremy told me he almost always shredded solo till he came to SC).

I think most of us would like to see a small to medium size increase in popularity. Nothing huge. Just to be able to have a crew of 10-15 people in your city to be able to shred with. Most of us don't have that. Plus more people would be mean more regional events (jams & tournies).

Amen to that. I have only one person to shred with. I think everyone should go get ticketed at their local malls and make the news 8)
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Post by footymatt » 14 Dec 2006 05:29

Jordan-1. Footbag tricks are getting more complex. The untrained eye cannot travel at the rate of the bag. It becomes harder to distinguish subtle differences when a variety of multiple dexterity moves -- hence, common advanced shred moves may appear similar or even identical to the viewer.

Me- I agree, Footbag tricks are getting more complex, but that’s a good thing. You have to take into consideration that most people have medical conditions or are lacking in brain power and will lose track of the bag even on simple tricks like ATW where the bag disappears behind the dexing leg and changes altitude behind the leg. Matt Cross has another topic relating to how to show the public footbag. In that topic he mentions how using simple rakes and pendulums can allow slower people to follow the bag (he doesn’t say it like that, but it’s the point). This is true but we shouldn't lower our footbag goals so we don't hit newer tricks just because we're getting more complex and want the public to follow along. Public shows are dumbed down enough for non-footbaggers to follow (or they should be).

Jordan-2. The entire general public is far behind the times of modern freestyle. Perceptions of what is the epitome of footbag is neither accurate nor representative of today. The majority consider kicks to be the main aspect of footbag, and the most desirable attrribute to have is a high number of kicks. This MUST change.

Me- I agree, this does need to change but I don't think it's the modernization of footbag in relation to the general public; it is however the negative image of "hacky sack" that creates a weary eye. I mean, that when you tell someone "footbag" the think "what is footbag?" and likewise when you tell someone "hacky sack" they automatically assume that footbaggers are potheads. This negative image, whether subconscious or not, makes possible footbag candidates shy away. It is footbag that is unknown territory to most people although when they see it they can recognize it, but by not mentioning “hacky sackâ€
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Post by Lackey82 » 14 Dec 2006 08:33

Jorden wrote:Ronaldinho Moves (*people are crazy about Ronaldinho! It will likely catch their attention and maybe even convert them. hehe)
I swear, that's more true than you even know.
At York U at least 3 people have kicked a few times because of the resemblance to Ronaldinho's skills. They still aren't interested in footbag much at all though, since their bag of choice will always be a soccer ball.
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Post by dp » 14 Dec 2006 15:22

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Post by smokefree » 14 Dec 2006 15:42

yeah, i dont quite like that myself. I think it would be more discouraging than encouraging. If there had been "levels" of footbaggers i just would of quit while learning. It sounds kind of nerdy too. IM A 5TH LEVEL FOOTBAGGER MASTER OF THE DUNGEON. haha remember the 40 year old virgin? IM A 9TH LEVEL YOYO MASTER. fuck me yoyo master.
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Post by Zeb Jackson » 14 Dec 2006 15:56

i disagree with ruffly 87% of everything you said matt, no disrespect to you. But i think Jorden is more right than you

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Post by Slowsis » 14 Dec 2006 17:18

As an intermediate/guiltless player with 10 public performances under my belt, and a history of playing in the most public spaces I can find, I'm already subscribing to some of your recommedations.

If little old me can set up on-stage events, with my habits of partying to hard and disorginization, anyone can do it!!! :D
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Post by david » 14 Dec 2006 17:25

Just for the record:

Myself and Scott Bevier play in front of at LEAST 2000 kids every warm day at Penn State. The school has 40,000 students, so I would gamble even more see us. No one ever stops. We have had 5 people come up and show interest, and we have played at least 30 times.

When classes let out and the streets are full we go for long runs. Lots of ducks and spins. We do 2 bag juggling. It doesn't matter. People just think it's silly or don't get it.

I am so for expanding this sport, but I don't get it. How do thousands of kids watch me and only 5 say anything about it? I'd probably get more interest building card houses.

EDIT: Ok, I actually just read the whole thead. Gasp.

Some thoughts in general.

Having a nice shiny bag, color coordinated clothes, and simple tricks isnt going to fix footbag. A nemisis looks the same whether I use an all yellow bag or an all black bag. Footbag looks like a mess. People can't follow something so small. People like big stunts, with lots of space. Example: motocross. Could be the dumbest thing ever, but people fill stadiums for it. Why? Because it's on a big scale. From 50 feet away any footbag tricks looks like a blur, and you can't see the bag. Toning down your tricks will just make it look more like a pansy dance. I think the best thing to do is hit hard shit. Move around a lot. Ps whirls and shit impress people the most.

If anything, the furture of footbag is probably street footbag because its dangerous and crazy and similar to street sports. People think its so awesome when I butterfly off benches and shit, even though its pretty silly.

Who knows man. If we haven't figured out how to make this sport big over the past 30 years, why would some kids on an internet forum fix it.

Sorry to be a downer. Maybe I'll figure it out.

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Post by janis » 14 Dec 2006 18:27

Jorden, I agree with most of what you have said earlier, especially the stuff regarding new players and the importance of getting some videos out there that emphasize the basics.

From my experiences of starting a uni club and getting 40+ members a few things stand out from a publicity point of view: A regular kicking time and place is essential for people to get involved, also a website or email address on a flyer is a really good idea, heaps of people have asked me for a website address that they look up in their own time. However the most important thing by far is a frinedly approachable atmosphere, without this people won't even get to the point where they will ask for a flyer, contact details, etc...

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