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ianek · Last edited by ianek on Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:07 am; edited 3 times in total

In the past 5 years, i’ve been working on a better way to name and categorize all freestyle footbag elements. The result is a naming system wich is more descriptive, with less nicknames to remember. To do so, i needed to update/change existing names and add new vocabulary. So i made a list of mostly all possible moves we could do, with a basic description of all concepts. Then i filmed myself doing many moves, i ended up with 589 videos. With an efficient naming system and a lot of videos, i think we have a very good tool to promote and teach our sport to newcomers.

About videos: the mindset behind the video project was to have “look at what is possible” more than “how to execute properly”. Not all dexes are totally clean and the footbag can be difficult to see sometimes. Most videos have the move hit on both sides with 2 different camera angles.

Here is the link to the Descriptive System: http://www.fourkast.com/content/the-descriptive-system-freestyle-footbag-elements

For explanation of changes : http://www.fourkast.com/content/explanation-changes-descriptive-system

Preview video: http://www.fourkast.com/media/videos/tricks/descriptive-system-preview

Some people helped me with this project:
Jay Boychuk
Anssi Sundberg
Ethan Husted
Jorden Moir
Kevin Regamey
Johnny Suderman
Eliot Piltz

And others are supporting it:
Dave Clavens
Dan Ednie
Scott Bevier
Wiktor Debski
Olaf Piwowar
Sebastien Duchesne
Szymon Kalwak
Evan Gatesman
Zack Miley
Matt Kemmer

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most important name changes:

butterfly is now: down
legover is now: switch
around-the-world out-in is now: orbit
reverse whirl is now: whip
reverse swirl is now: twist
double legover is now: mixer
pixie is now: open
fairy is now: shut

for more name changes, new names and some explanation:
http://www.fourkast.com/content/explanation-changes-descriptive-system

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Ianek Regimbald
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qphox · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Very Happy

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ianek · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject:

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Anz · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject:

Good job guys. This is another step forward for footbag.

Remember, this system has nothing to do with the add system and it does nor prevent you from using trick nicknames. You can still call Stepping Down a Ripwalk and Open Down a Dimwalk (and say they're four adds, if it's important to you).

There's less than a dozen common terms that are changing, so it should not take long to learn them. Now that you're posting about tricks on modified, for example New Runs, try to start using the new terms right away.

Also for those who have a footbag website or videos on YouTube - please update your site terminology according to the DS. Here is an example of the Footbag Finland YouTube account.
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Mathochist · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject:

Wow. Interesting. Clearly the result of lots of work.

My only nit pick so far is that the description of Leg Position, I think distinguishing between the footbag active (i.e. dex, delay, whatever) leg and the support leg would be more specific than calling them the first and second leg.

On the whole, this is an outstanding effort full of great ideas. I'm a fan.

Shut down is way cooler than fairy butterfly.
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Footbagger007 · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:44 am Post subject:

That looks awesome! I wish I had found this when I started.
Sticky?
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MathieuGM · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:49 am Post subject:

Awsome Work Ianek.

I will start using this system right away.

Mat
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qphox · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:58 am Post subject:

calemccoy · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:30 am Post subject:

the dex cleanliness section ignores leggy vs. hippy dexes; the description should say that a clean dex is between ankle and knee when done leggy, and between knee and hip when done hippy, etc.
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calemccoy · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:44 am Post subject:

thatsaid, i do not particularly enjoy this system... alot of the "explanations" of why the change was made dont make much sense, and some names are just as far-fetched as any we use today. for instance:

"phasing" is replaced with "shut slashing" for the explanation that it is uncommon and doesnt need a nickname... but then whats the difference what we call it? 'shut slashing' is even longer.

"stepping" and "stepping far" replace "stepping" and "blurry" under the explanation that it eliminates the need to differentiate between the two, when theres still two names for it, just with different letters.

"late" clipper should be "turning", and "late" used to describe downtime instead of "wait" which is gramatically awkward in comparison.

lastly, i second that "first" and "second" leg could confuse, and should be "support" and "active" leg, or something of that nature.

overall, i feel it has 80% of the shortcomings, just with slightly less ridiculous names. that said, i admire ianek immensely for putting forth what is obviously an immense amount of effort. i guess i just want to stick to what i know, and would be annoyed if people at tourneys started calling things different names than whats been used for the past decade.
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SlashC · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:59 am Post subject:

I support this descriptive system. Props to everyone who made this system into a reality (especially Ianek).
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Ian Brill · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject:

hacksterbator · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject:

Props to ianek and company for trying to do something about a problem we have all known about for a long time.

having now read it front to back and having had a night to sleep on it, i think there's some good stuff in there once you get your head around it.

I also have to agree with cale about many of his points. What's the point in having axel, spindle, torsion, etc. when you could just say "late near toe" "late far inside" etc. while eliminating phasing. with the exception of osis, phasing is far more common than most of those other late's. creating new nicknames where they weren't necessary.

I agree with cale about "late" being a better name for "wait". it's easy, and it makes more sense to say "quick drifter" and "late drifter", as opposed to "wait drifter". "Turning" also makes alot of sense, because it's more turn than spin.

the double use of "near" and "far" as both a set and body position confused the crap out of me. "same" and "op" should be used in exchange for one of those pairs save on confusion.

The support vs active leg differentiation would be great. support leg is already used on occasion in certain descriptions.

the unfortunate part about this system is that every one still has to learn jobs if they want to understand the competitive side of freestyle, unless ianek has a difficulty system up his sleeve, which really wouldn't surprise me

After talking with some others, we agreed that the most disappointing aspect of this release is the failure to include any artistic posing nomenclature.
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qphox · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject:

I've kinda been using these terms for about two years, so they make a ton of sense to me. Some people may want to re-read what Anssi has written.

Frank_Sinatra · Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject:

Props to Ianek & all involved for all their hard work. Probably like a lot of people, ever since I started learning freestyle & the nomenclature I've thought something like this was needed. Very good job.

The only thing that I'm currently finding confusing is under part 6 - basic sets. I think "near" meaning from side to near (e.g. clipper set near mirage) just makes more intuitive sense, but that's also because that's how I've already been using the term. So maybe like Anz & others said I'll get used to it with time.

Also, there's some hard ass tricks in there! Whirling crossbody heel? Props.

...and thanks to Andrew for posting that link.
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chris dean · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:01 am Post subject:

My prediction for the main effect this naming system has on the sport: A dramatic increase in the number of people hitting Toe>same out>>op out>op clip.

fairy butterfly < shut down
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Psilocybe · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:50 am Post subject:

This is awesome! I think now would be a great to time to redo the move list from scratch.
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qphox · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:04 am Post subject:

Psilocybe · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject:

abstract · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject:

thanks for all the work that went into this. i have always thought of ADD system as purely descriptive, despite the tack-on components to simulate difficulty. i am glad that this project has so much support.

digesting...

buh-bye, pixie & fairy. yesssssss.
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