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Happy 4th!!!

Post by QuantumBalance » 04 Jul 2010 23:02

On this fine holiday, I would like to take a moment to recognize the Ecocidal Banksters who enslave human civilization! WOOOOOOT! May you, the reader, resonate with the omniconscious multiverse, and become meta-cognitive.

If you don't understand, GOOGLE IT!

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Post by Ramen God » 05 Jul 2010 04:54

Whoo-hoo? :x

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Post by mc » 05 Jul 2010 11:27

fireworks and beer!
BRICK!

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Re: Happy 4th!!!

Post by habitat » 05 Jul 2010 14:37

QuantumBalance wrote:If you don't understand, GOOGLE IT!
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Post by BainbridgeShred » 05 Jul 2010 20:03

lmao James...


My second favorite holiday! The day our forefathers rebelled for small pennies compared to the injustices and unconstitutional acts we face today.

Has anyone seen that new Bud Light commercial with the founding fathers? Pretty funny stuff.

Anyone got any favorite founding fathers? My top three:

1. Tommy Jeffs
2. Henry Knox
3. Patrick Henry

Least favorite:

1. Robert Morris
2. Alexander Hamilton (He wasn't aaaalll bad)
3. Benjamin Rush
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Post by Jeremy » 05 Jul 2010 23:38

I'm unsure what this topic is meant to be discussing; America's independence day, or conspiracy theories and new age bullshit. Don't become "meta-cognitive" because that's a completely meaningless term. Just become cognitive.

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Post by Ramen God » 06 Jul 2010 15:34

Well if the Government is a bunch of Aliens from venus, how to they live on our climate, and stand all of the explosions.

Boom-Boom!

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Post by habitat » 06 Jul 2010 19:47

Jeremy wrote:I'm unsure what this topic is meant to be discussing; America's independence day, or conspiracy theories and new age bullshit. Don't become "meta-cognitive" because that's a completely meaningless term. Just become cognitive.
DoOd yer jus unedukated look it up brah itz totali searyus
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Post by Ramen God » 07 Jul 2010 05:09

Yer jIst eVun mOAr unejookaydid thuh aleeuns r frum veenus.

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Post by BainbridgeShred » 07 Jul 2010 10:00

man you all suck
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Post by habitat » 07 Jul 2010 10:29

BainbridgeShred wrote:man Ramen God sucks
Agreed.
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Post by Ramen God » 07 Jul 2010 13:50

That's just cruel. It was a joke! Nothing more! I have no idea how smart you are!

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Post by Jeremy » 07 Jul 2010 15:07

Boo Hoo.

Anyway here is a fantastic essay by Howard Zinn about America's Independence Day. I think it's ultimately relevant to people of many countries, including Australia where nationalism is a probably as bad as in the US.

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Post by BainbridgeShred » 07 Jul 2010 20:06

Go ask the Egyptian's if they think that American nationalism and the militarism than ensues from it is so evil. Or the Bosnian Muslims. Or the Kuwaitis.
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Post by BainbridgeShred » 07 Jul 2010 21:40

All Muslim populaces I might add.
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Post by Jeremy » 08 Jul 2010 04:41

I don't know if any of those populations would be particularly supportive of American foreign policy. However that's not the point of the article. It's not arguing against foreign intervention to prevent war crimes. It's shame that you have to put forward a hyperbolic and shallow argument, as if this criticism is a criticism of every foreign policy decision America has made, rather than being able to address the actual content of the article. Obviously not everything that America does is a problem. That doesn't mean nationalism is not a problem, and something to strive against, in America and many other countries around the world.

In Australia there is a terrible movement where ANZAC day, the day remembering our dead soldiers from conflict, especially from the First World has become completely connected to nationalism to the extent that I refuse to honour the day in anyway any more. It's especially frustrating when you consider what the Australian soldiers in WW1 really died fighting for and against. Nationalism is at least as bad as religion.

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Post by BainbridgeShred » 08 Jul 2010 08:53

What I'm really sick of and reacting against is people like you who choose July 4th to call attention to your own political agenda instead of taking a moment to recognize that on July 4th 1776 a lot of brave, Enlightened men put their lives on the line to create a better country, and I would argue, a better world.

Excuse the run on sentence.
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Post by BainbridgeShred » 08 Jul 2010 09:00

I don't know if any of those populations would be particularly supportive of American foreign policy
Completely irrelevant. Two of the peoples mentioned would not have a sovereign country without us, and one probably wouldn't exist at all via Slobodan. Whether they are cognitive of the fact that US militarism saved them and that they should be thankful for it is moot.
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Post by Jeremy » 08 Jul 2010 23:38

You've raised a point about those countries that is irrelevant. The article I posted is not addressing the actions surrounding those countries at all. I don't know why you keep talking about them.


I'm pretty sure this topic is in the "discussion" subforum, rather than the "let's all talk about how awesome we are and masturbate" subforum. I only posted this essay because one of the blogs I read posted it first;

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010 ... iotism.php

I didn't use July 4th to call attention to any political agenda. Somebody posted a "discussion" topic about it, and then one of my favourite blogs posted an essay about it that I agreed with, and so I added it to the "discussion." It would be nice if you could actually contribute any kind of content to the discussion, instead of your strawman argument about the Balkans and your patriotic bleating (which is also a strawman, since nobody is criticising the people who brought about America's independence - they're criticising the nationalism of the holiday, which is clearly a completely different thing).

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