[Moved:] Personal argument

[C-Fan]

Jeremy's emails just posted seem to suggest he did what he had to to get the info out of Ken and he wasnt forthcoming, and therefore copped the fee.

If you took a survey of modified, and asked the question: "what modified user is most likely to lie by selectively using parts of emails/posts?", who's name do you think would come up at #1?

I've edited out a bunch of my posts in this topic.

Yeah, I figured you would. Especially when you made the claim: "I paid the full $400 because it was my responsibility," and then I dug up the email which shows you didn't. I figured that once I came up with hard evidence that you forced me to split those costs without my consent, despite the fact that you knew it was your responsibility to pay them, that you'd delete your posts to look like less of a hypocrite and weasel your way out of doing what's right.

[Jeremy]

Fuck this. I couldn't help but read the last post and against all my better judgement I'm going to respond.


I'm not the person who came to Australia with all my internal travel costs paid for, all my accomodation paid for, half my food paid for, plus getting paid $2930 (taking into account the Western Union exchange rate according to Ken) just to play footbag, and am now attacking the person who organised the whole thing over $200 out of a $400 fee.

I made a mistake because I can't remember the exact details of something that happened 4 years. I do remember that you were really stressing out about getting the money on time, and that made it extremely stressful for me and I worked as hard as I could to get it to you on time. I also remember that you were paid nearly twice as much as I was even though the only work you had to do was playing footbag, and I not only organised the whole thing, but did more demos as well, but I was really super keen to get to play with you, so I tried my best to ensure you'd get what you wanted and would be able to participate.

Lets not forget that I also had to pay income tax on the entire $3200, which would have been around $450. So me making sure you got your money as quickly as possibly as you were demanding and stressing about cost me a total of $650 and you a total of $270 (including the exchange rate).

As the email record shows, Ken didn't make any indication he needed the money immediately until 3 days before he left Australia, at which point he said he needed it immediately. I had to wait for Nestle to pay the marketing company, and then for the marketing company to pay me - both of these transfers taking a few days, so I didn't receive the money until Ken had left. At this point I had got a number of emails and phone calls from Ken telling me how urgent it was that he get the money immediately. I did that to the best of my ability. There had never been any kind of agreement that I would be responsible for him getting his money. He met personally with both the marketing people and the Nestle people and could have easily organised all this himself. Had he not sprung his need for the money immediately on me three days before leaving, either by telling me when he arrived or had he not needed it immediately he could have easily been paid his entire money without costing me any money at all.

Instead I spent 3 days stressing out, going to a 4 different financial services, walked around town with a huge wad of cash (which he had the gall to complain to me that he had to the same), and spent $650 of my own money, just to meet that late demand that had never been agreed on and was no obligation of mine. And now I have to put up with his fucking bullshit because he thought he knew better than me and all the financial advisers, money exchangers etc. I talked to and because he's an ungrateful fucking cunt.

[C-Fan]

I love how Jeremy wrote this:

and I'm not discussing this further. *ignore*.

and then followed it up with 6 more posts, including:

Fuck this.

And now I have to put up with his fucking bullshit because he thought he knew better than me and all the financial advisers, money exchangers etc. I talked to and because he's an ungrateful fucking cunt.

\

Fuckety fuck fuck fuck. You're so eloquent when you're angry, Jeremy. You'll probably just edit it all out later, like a pussy.

I can't wait til you leave the forums, and I can post whatever I want about you. Hope it's worth the 10 bags to you.

[C-Fan]

I'm not the person who came to Australia with all my internal travel costs paid for, all my accomodation paid for, half my food paid for, plus getting paid $2930 .

Oh, and just for the record in case anybody gets the wrong idea off of Jeremy's lies:

1. None of my food was paid for, that was out of pocket.
2. As far as I know, Guido wasn't paid a cent for letting me stay at his place for the 3 weeks or so I ended up with him. By "paid accomodation" I suppose Jeremy means that I got to sleep on his floor for free.
3. While I was paid more for the demos than anybody else, I was also the only person who had to pay for a roundtrip plane ticket from Japan to Australia, which isn't cheap.

Anyway I will endevour to write more literally and in a clearer manner in the short time that I remain on this forum.

How's that working out for you? I love that this is the final impression you are leaving of yourself on the forums...bitter, angry, and hypocritical.

[WyrmFyre]

If this thread had a voice of its own it would be screaming "Moderate me!" right now....

[Rieferman]

guys guys guys... Seriously? Take the dirty laundry the hell out of here, this is a hacky sack forum for goodness sake. No one looks cool right now.

[Corey]

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[King Monkey]

To answer Ken's question, I actually would place Jeremy very low on the predicted liars list, but my friendship with him hasnt been clouded by all of this.

[Jeremy]

No one looks cool right now.

I absolutely agree, and that's why I tried to end this, but I don't see how not responding to Ken's accusations makes me look any better, and frankly given the nature of those accusations, responding probably can't make me look any worse. If people think this fiasco makes me look like a bad person, they already think that and whatever I write in my defence isn't going to make people who don't think I'm a bad person suddenly think I am. Surely perpetuating this conflict makes Ken look terrible, but I'm not going to be responsible for him.

To avoid being accused of lying, or selectively quoting, here is every single email correspondance between Ken and I over this time period. Read it for yourselves.

I can't remember how the discussion with Ken started, as I have no emails before these, but obviously there was some conversation not recorded in email. I have vague recollections of footbag chat, but who knows. These are in gmail conversation chronological order, so it's possible (although unlikely) that some are actually not in chronological order as there could have been replies to different conversations. I will keep an eye out but apologies if I miss anything. I've bolded some things.

Given that this thing happened 4 years ago and we effectively haven't discussed it at all after the last email I post, reading these will probably give you as much information as any of either Ken or I have. I have also censored a few personal details like names, email addresses etc. of some of the people other than Ken and I, because I'm sure they don't want those details posted publicly.

G'day folks,

Here is a group mail with nestle news from today

I spoke to Gemma - who is somehow involved with the thing today. She
basically said that the budjet is not as big as what they wanted - so
things won't be as big as planned but there are definitly still some
demos going on and they're trying to get some stuff happening with
other departments or something - which could end up with things being
the size as planned. She said she would email me tomorrow to let me
know what the full details are - it could be that things will be too
small to cover your costs - but I'd like to stay positive at this
stage. I'm actually catching a bus tomorrow to Delorain for a demo
that will go all weekend so if you don't here anything from me -
that's why. I will endevour to go on the internet on Friday when I
get there though - or hopefully she'll email me before I leave.

Will continue to keep you posted.

Yves and Dylan - loved the footage - Great stuff.

Ken - Only had 10 minutes to play in the end - hit mobius a million
times but couldn't seal the pdx dlo out. Still hit the combo badly I
guess It was hard cause I was wearing my work shirt and it kept
hitting the bag.

Liam - I think you're too modest If you can't make it for the
demos - you should definitly try and make it for the Aus champs in Jan
- should be huge!

talk later

Jeremy

Hey J,

Researched tickets online yesterday. Getting tickets earlier than 35 days in advance doesn`t jack up the price as badly as I feared, so I am going to try and arrive in late September, and leave in mid-November in an attempt to maximize my demos. It seems like the earliest I can arrive is like September 29th, so it doesn`t give me a big window to travel to the next demo, but I think its possible? I haven`t officially reserved yet... but I put in an online request, and I should find out today whether or not I was able to reserve a seat. If it turns out that I got it, it would mean I am flying into Sydney. So if there are any demos the first weekend of october which are near sydney, I want to hit them. Maybe you can help me plan things once you find out official dates and venues. The ticket I hope to reserve would leave a couple days after the 2nd weekend in november. The plan I guess is to arrive in Sydney, do demos on the East Coast for all of October, then stay at your place through your jam, then head home after the jam. How does that sound?

I`ll update you on the status of my tickets later.

Getting stoked,
Ken
PS-last night I dreamt I was in Aussie, but I can`t recall much else.

Hey K,

So that sounds cool. Looking on the list there is a two demo in NSW
on the 1st and 2nd so you should be able to do that although I'm not
sure how far away from Sydney it is. Your plans sounds cool anyway
and I think it should all work. Sydney is cool and fun.

It's cool you're dreaming about Australia too - Australia is a dream
place to visit . I dreamt about work last night

J

Hey J,

Great news: I scored tickets! It actually was real hard to get, considering that October is supposedly tourist season, and its a 3 day weekend in Japan on the weekend I wanted to go. But I miraculously reserved one of the last 2 seats on a plane, so I will be arriving in Sydney on the morning of September 30th. My return flight is flexible, and i can go home in November. Ticket ended up being about US $900, but if demos are $400 Aus, then thats exactly 3 demos. If demos end up being cheaper, I should still recoup in like 4-5 demos. The earlier date also should mean I can do the 2 parter in NSW that first weekend, so that will be a good start.

Aight yo, just wanted to let you know that I scored tickets, so it looks like I`m officially going to Australia! We`ll talk more later, but I already want to start fishing around for places to crash in Sydney, as well as transportation, etc.

See you very soon,
CF

Have to be quick but I'm sure I will talk to you soon anyway.

Just wanted to say:

Fuck Yeah!!!

That is all

Not that this is very interesting but at least you know what's
happening (or not happening )

Sorry - obviously I'll let you know when I actually hear something -
since I'm letting you know when I don't...

I did try and stress the time issue involved but there doesn't seem to
be much else I can do...

Jeremy
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <au>
Date: Sep 5, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: MILO Footbags
To: owheelj@footbag.org


Hi Jeremy

Really sorry I'm still waiting on information unfortunately the person
I was waiting to hear from was off sick.

I will be in touch as soon as I can with all the details.

Kind Regards

Gemma


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy O'Wheel [mailto:beast9@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 12:57 PM
To: ,Marketing
Subject: Re: MILO Footbags


Hi Gemma,

The bags arrived safely on Friday so I've had a few days to play
around with them. I was impressed with the quality - they were
certainly a lot better than I was expecting. I think the soccer
designed bag is definitely the best for freestyle as it's the most
round although everybody agreed that the afl football bag was the
coolest looking. I think kids could learn some tricks with the bags.
The main issues for using them to do demos are the size and weight.
They're a little bigger to what I'm used to be playing with - although
definitely I can get by that. The weight is more important as it has
a fairly significant impact on how the bag behaves so I found it
fairly difficult to do any kind of medium difficulty sustained
activity with the bags. In my personal case I think for using the
bags in demos I will unstitch a part of them and add some of my own
filler in (lead shot) - which will give it a lot more weight and I
think make a considerable difference to the performance of the bag.
I'm not sure what other players would do to get around this - I think
it would definitely be better to get them to use a combination of bags
at demos - both their own bags and the nestle bags.

Overall though they are playable and for a free bag in cereal - of
good quality - especially for freestyle footbag. It would be a good
idea to send out some of the bags in advance to the other players
doing demos once I know locations, etc. since I'm sure getting a
chance to get a feel for the bags would be a great help to all players
and improve their performance a lot. I think that only sending a few
of the soccer footbags in particular would be fine since I think the
other players would specifically use that bag as the first choice.

Cheers,

Fuck yeah - going on this news which you should read through, you
should book tickets soon!!

As always i'll keep you posted!!

Rock on!!

Jeremy.

Get back to me soonish to let me know your plans!

Jeremy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: @au.nestle.com>
Date: Sep 8, 2005 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: MILO Footbags
To: owheelj@footbag.org


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Hi Jeremy

I'm really sorry for taking so long to get back to you, but I've been
waiting on information from a number of sources.

We are just working through the costs and Amanda/Kate who I think you
have spoken to already will be in touch shortly with the details.
Just to give you an indication I think we are looking at between 30
and 50 different demonstration locations but most are on Saturdays and
Sundays nationally so it will be largely dependent on your costs and
ability to get guys to the areas.

Just to give you some examples of the kind of events - these are not confirmed
Festival of Cricket, Bradman Oval Bowral NSW on the 1st and 2nd Oct
South Coast Tablelands Jamborett, Camp Cottermouth, Neston, ACT 2nd Oct
Ashfield Carnival of Culture, Orpington & Parramatta Rd, NSW Sunday 9th Oct
Panthers Family Expo Penrith NSW Sat 15th and Sunday 16th
Street Beat Youth Festival, Caulfield Victoria Thursday 13th Oct
Ashfood Fun Day, Chadstone, Victoria, Sunday 23rd Oct
Lifestyle Expo, Civic Park Modbury, SA, Sunday 30th Oct
Springwood Spring Carnival QLD, Saturday 1st Oct
Algester State School Annual Fete, QLD 8th Oct
Coolum State School Carnival, QLD, Friday 14th Oct
Dardanup Bull and Barrel Festival, WA Saturday 8th Oct

We are also creating a section on our Milo powder website
(www.milo.com.au) to promote our Footbag promotion. Can you let me
know if you would be interested in adding a link to your website or
possible a couple of your video clips to the site. Obviously to do
this we would need your formal approval but let me know what you
think.

Kind Regards

Gemma

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy O'Wheel [mailto:beast9@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:01 AM
To: ,Marketing
Subject: Re: MILO Footbags


Hi Gemma,

Thanks for you reply. As I mentioned on the phone - there are some
international players really keen to make it down for the demos if
they can but they need about a month in advance so they can change
their tickets without costing too much. Things are looking fairly
tight at the moment. Also October is very close to the end of the
school year so it would make things a great deal easier in organising
to have enough people for the demos if the internationals came down
(most of the freestyle footbaggers in Australia are at school/uni and
may be busy with exams etc.). So the sooner I get information the
better - even if it's not all the details but just any demos that have
been confirmed etc. that would be great. Ideally the internationals
think that 4 - 5 demos would make it worth their while to come to
Australia now rather than in January when the Australian Footbag
Championships are happening. The three guys who are thinking of
coming over are:

Dylan Fry: world number 9
Yves Kriel: world number 7
Ken Somolinos: World number 5

and they are all really amazing players that really know how to really
good performances. I played a lot with Dylan last time he was in
Australia and we got an enourmas amount of attention when we played in
public - we even had people giving us $5 or $10 notes when we were
playing even though we weren't busking and told them that.

Cheers,

Jeremy

On 9/5/05, Marketing
<au> wrote:
> Hi Jeremy
>
> Really sorry I'm still waiting on information unfortunately the person I was waiting to hear from was off sick.
>
> I will be in touch as soon as I can with all the details.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Gemma

Hey Jeremy,

Can you meet me on chat tonight? I want to discuss various things with you. I dont have a good sense of Australian geography, or costs for travel, so despite all the events listed, I want to see if we can bang out a virtual itinerary for me, to see how many events it looks like I can actually attend. If that number is 4 or more, and the pay is still $400 Aus per demo, then I will book tickets tonight. Is the pay confirmed? I will investigate ticket prices and schedules tonight. 35 days advance is about 700 USD for a round trip ticket, but if going earlier means I can get more demos in, then I may be willing to buy a more expensive ticket to go earlier, provided its likely I can get the demos and the consequent cash to cover my ticket. Thanks for the exciting news. I will look for you online tonight, if we can`t meet up, please email me a time for tomorrow morning when its good for you. I need to move quickly.

Thanks, and hopefully see you in a month or so,
CF

Hey Ken,

Just spoke to Nestle and I have some bad news. They are only going to
pay us in green M and Ms.

I'm just kidding

There is mixed news. First there are probably 30 demos confirmed.
The badish news on that is that the first demo isn't until the 15th.
However having just spoken with Kate - the person organising it all,
it should be more than likely that you can do all 30 demos if you want
. There is also a good chance of getting all food, flights and
accom covered as part of that.

Basically they wanted to get me in particular at all the demos and I
suggested that while that's a fantastic idea - you'd be a great person
too.

So there are definitely 30 demos confrimed - only over 2 - 4 weeks.
There may also be some internal demos just for nestle big wigs etc.

I'm guessing overall it will be a fantastic event. Nestle were under
the impression I wanted $400 per hour per person per demo - so a 4
hour demo would cost them $3200 - so it sounds pretty certain we'll
get paid $200 - $400. If you were getting all your flights and accom
paid for and doing say 15 demos (so probably the minimum), how much
would you be happy to get paid at a minimum? Obviously I won't
immediatly suggest the minimum but it will give me a good reference to
go with. Perhaps I should be charging an agents fee for all this too
- Actually maybe we can donate a small portion of each demo to the
ausfootbag association. I like that idea.

I should have a full roster in a couple of days so then we'll really
be able to work out the full details of it all. Is it cool with you
to chill in Sydney for 2 weeks? There are some other footbaggers you
can stay with too, or you could come down to Hobart and stay with me
if you like.

I've pretty much booked my flight to Sydney anyway and will be
arriving at 8:30 am on the 30th and flying back down on the Monday
evening.

do you have a phone number I can call you on? Perhaps that would be
easiest to discuss this?

Anyway I'll keep you posted

Cheers,

Hey Jeremy,

Thanks for the update. Every bit of info I have helps.

.

The badish news on that is that the first demo isn't until the 15th.

Shit. Do you know when the last demo is? At the moment, I am set to arrive on September 30th, and I leave on November...14th. I think my departure date is somewhat flexible, but I need to call the airlines first. The main problem I have, is that my family wants me back in the states by the 24th of November, which would only give me one weekend in Japan to say goodbye to everybody. If I have to stay later in Aussie to do demos, then it really puts me in a crunch. I`m kinda thinking out loud here...maybe I can talk to my folks and set up a later time to go home, but they are really pressuring me to go back.

I`m also not thrilling at the idea of being in Sydney for 2 weeks with nothing to do. My time in Japan is really dwindling down...



it should be more than likely that you can do all 30 demos if you want
. There is also a good chance of getting all food, flights and
accom covered as part of that.


Assuming a minimum of 200 Aus dollars per demo, that`d be like 6000 Aus dollars if I did every demo? Are the demos really spaced out such that it is possible to do every demo?




So there are definitely 30 demos confrimed - only over 2 - 4 weeks.
There may also be some internal demos just for nestle big wigs etc.

Would the internal demos also be paid? And again, I need to know when the demos end, so I can change my ticket if need be, and plan out my farewells and departure from Japan accordingly.


If you were getting all your flights and accom
paid for and doing say 15 demos (so probably the minimum), how much
would you be happy to get paid at a minimum?

My flight alone cost me $900 US. It would have been cheaper, except I bought it within a month of departure, which jacked up the price. Gah, the demos starting on the 15th sucks! Fuck it, just gotta roll with it I guess. Minimum I am willing to work for? That really depends on how much flights within Australia cost, and where the demos are. I don`t want to state a price, and then find out that flying to all the demos eats it all up. Ballpark... $3,500 Aussie dollars?


Perhaps I should be charging an agents fee for all this too
-


I don`t know if you`re joking, but I don`t think that would be unreasonable. If it weren`t for you, I wouldn`t be getting any money from nestle at all.


I should have a full roster in a couple of days so then we'll really
be able to work out the full details of it all. Is it cool with you
to chill in Sydney for 2 weeks? There are some other footbaggers you
can stay with too, or you could come down to Hobart and stay with me
if you like.

Again, I am not really stoked on this idea... right now, I am mooching off my girlfriend by living rent free in Tokyo with her. But she`s my girlfriend. I don`t know how comfortable I would be (over)staying my welcome at various Sydney footbaggers houses, especially since I don`t know them. I also think it might get expensive too... and possibly boring.



I've pretty much booked my flight to Sydney anyway and will be
arriving at 8:30 am on the 30th and flying back down on the Monday
evening.

Is this cancellable? I need to call my airlines and see how flexible my departure date is as well... if it isn`t flexible, then I look forward to shredding with you and hanging out with you on that weekend. If it is flexible, and your flight is cancellable/delayable, then maybe could we meet up later?


do you have a phone number I can call you on


81-(0)90-xxxx-xxxxx
You may have to omit the zero I put in parentheses. Also keep in mind that I turn off my phone at night, usually from 12 pm or so until 8 am. I am one hour behind you. Also, my phone is a cellphone, which may be expensive for you to call to.

Sorry this email was so scattered... I am still processing the info you told me, but I figured it would be best to get back to you sooner than later, and let you know the various things I am thinking about.

Take care Jeremy, and thanks again for keeping me in the loop.
CF

Hey Ken,

I'm guessing you had to go - anyway I'll talk to you tomorrow in chat
at 9am au time. Here is answers to your questions anyway.

First as I said - I think it would be cool for you to stay in Sydney
for a week then come down and stay with me in Hobart until the demos
start - and even have Hobart as a base to fly from. My basic idea is
that you do most or all of the demos, I do lots and we get the locals
to fill in on some where neccessary. It doesn't sound like they want
to pay $400 for both people at each demo but I think we should be able
to negotiate something such that you definitely get your tickets all
paid for etc.

I was joking about the agents fee - I'm just stoked to get to play
with you. However I really do like the idea of donating money to the
ausfootbag association - since it's through that association that the
demo has been organised and I am fairly passionate about building a
scene here.

I'm not sure when the last demo will be - Kate seemed to think it's
unlikely but possible demos will go into November.

The internal demos will also definitely be paid - in fact in many ways
for footbag they will be the most important demos as they will be the
demos that the big wigs see and will decide to continue their
involvement with footbag or not.

I think it should be possible to do every demo since Nestle are hoping
I can do every demo.

Anyway I'll see you in chat tomorrow.

Looking forward to playing with you

Hey Ken,

So I have some demo info. It looks like there are lots of demos at
the same dates which is a shame. Still you'll still get lots of demos


At this stage I've organised it for you to do 4 demos in Qld and then
one in victoria - this is for the demos in October - there will be
more in November - maybe a few weeks worth even.

Is $300 per demo ok? It looks like you and I will do the first demo
together and then the rest of your demos will be with other qld
players. So I've got you down to earn $1500 au in October although
there could be more. Nestle should be happy to pay for your flights
as well - as mentioned. Um feel free to ask any questions or whatever


Cheers,

Jeremy

Hey J,

As always, thanks for the info. Only 5 demos in October?!? I`ll be in October for 3 weekends. Damn. At the moment, my return ticket is for the 8th of November, which means only one weekend in Australia in November. I`m still processing the new info... but I gotta admit I`m surprised at the low number of demos. I bought my tickets expecting something close to 20 demos, maybe 15 at the low end, closer to 30 on the high end. Just so you know, my flight cost me around 1,200 Australian dollars, so 5 demos will cover my ticket, but will $300 Aus cover 3+ weeks of food for me?

>Still you'll still get lots of demos

Man I hope so. I`m stoked to go to Australia, but since I don`t have a job, it`s really imperative that I don`t lose money by doing this Nestle thing.

Please let me know the date of the final demo in November when you find it out. November looks very cramped for me, since I want to say goodbyes to my friends and then make it back to the states for the last Thursday in November to celebrate Thanksgiving with my family... I haven`t been home in over 3 years. If it looks like there really are a lot of demos in November, and there are only 5 demos in October, maybe I can swing something where I return to Japan later in November, and go home sometime in December, but my family has been pressuring me very intensely to return, and if possible I`d like to avoid this.

Gah, sorry if this email sounds panicky. I`m thinking out loud. I just wanted to let you know what my general timing situation is like for November, as well as how much my ticket cost.

Given my current flight dates (arrive Oct. 14th, leave November 8th) do you think I can do ten demos in that span (4 full weekends)?

Again, sorry for the long, rambling, panicky mail. Just the thought though of losing money by going to Aussie to do demos really freaks me out, especially since my time in Japan is really running down.
Hopefully talk to you soon...
Night,
Ken

Hey Ken,

Yeah it's a shame about the lack of demos. From the sound of things
there will definitely be a number of demos in November as well -
probably going past the 8th - maybe all the way through November.
There could also be more demos in October - especially in the last
weekend of November - at this stage only one demo is scheduled for
that weekend but I would expect at least one more. I would also be
pretty sure that if you stay just until the 8th you'll get 2 more
demos minimum - which would bring things to a total of 8 demos or
$2400 - which should be enough to cover all your food plus ticket -
and that's the minimum figure so I actually think you'd get more than
that.

I'll keep you posted anyway.

So regarding dates again - if you want to stay longer and do more
demos that would be great but considering your time etc - if you don't
that should be cool and I don't think you'll lose any money on the
trip. We can busk too if you like.

Cheers,

hey ken,

just thinking if you have any particular questions for the Nestle girl
and you get this email with in the next 40 minutes than let me know
and I'll make a point of asking them.

Hey Ken, I spoke to Kate today: Everything is set and basically
looking good. We've changed your schedule around a tiny bit. All the
November demos will be in the first two weeks of Nov it seems - so
there will probably be lots of weeklies I think - should know details
tomorrow. Also there could be 2 internal demos that they'd love you
to be at but we don't know the full details yet

Will update you more fully when I get off work,

Cheers big ears,

Hey Jeremy,

Good work on your demos so far. Sounds like its been a lot of fun. I should expect summer heat, right? Is it significantly colder at night? Any advice on the demos and what to do?

Quick question: They said "no logos" on shorts. Does that include nike swoosh, adidas, etc? What about my university logo? I have 3 pairs of shorts, but each has something on them. You think it`ll be OK?

I`ve already started looking into tickets home (Japan to US) for late november. The prices aren`t likely to change, but for my own peace of mind, I`d like to purchase them by Tuesday. If there are any weekday demos the week of november 7-11, I`d like to know asap. Or just the November schedule in general, just so I know when to return to Japan, and if I should negotiate with my folks a post-thanksgiving return (which I should avoid if possible).

I know you`re probably dead tired from the weekend, but if you have a moment, hit me with a reply. I`m already packing my bags for the trip... I leave on Thursday and meet you on Friday! Go easy on me in the shred, ya hear?

Take care, and see you real soon.
Fan out

Here are my details:

ARRIVING
Sydney Virgin Blue - T2
0820hr (08:20am), Fri 14 Oct 2005

HOBART TO SYDNEY
Flight No DJ619

My brother is a n00b,

Hey Ken,

There is a good chance that we will be able to do a few demos at the
Foxtel 10th Birthday bash - an event that will be covered by TV and
include celebrities such as David Hasslehoff. We need to write some
resumes to make sure it happens - talk yourself up as much as is
physically possible!!

Cheers,

Hey Jeremy,

When is this Hasselhoff demo? Do you want a full professional resume, or just a footbag one?

Packed my bags already, I just need to step on the plane.

See you in like 2 days.

Awwwwww yeee.

Hey Ken,

Just a footbag resume - but include everything that sounds good to a
non footbagger (rather than what sounds good to a footbagger) and as
extensive as possible. Also as soon as possible - like tonight would
be fantastic so I can send it off tomorrow morning. The Hasselhoff
demo is on the 23rd and there is another big one on the 24th I think
so we'd have to change your schedule a bit but we'd get to do at least
2 demos together. Maybe 3.

Cheers,

Ken Somolinos

Playing since: July 28th, 1997

1st Place Open Finishes:
- Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3, Shred 30 (193) Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2, Shred 30 (206) Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Penn State Trio Official Footbag Forum, Routines. State College, Pennsylvania. March 2-3 2002
-Montreal International Footbag Championships, Routines 1st place, Shred 1st place. Montreal, Canada. July 7-9, 2000
-Championnat International de Footbag (Montreal Windchill Tournament), Routines. April 1-2, 2000.
-Phily Open 2 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.1st in Routines and Sick combo. March 25-26, 2000

World Championships Results
Worlds 05, Helsinki, Finland. 4th place in Shred 30 (196). 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 04, Montreal, Canada. 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 03, Prague, Czech Republic. 11th place in routines. Sponsored by Pepsi Japan to attend and represent Team Japan.
Worlds 00, Vancouver, CA. 15th place in routines.

Invited into the Big Add Posse (elite club of the Worlds best footbaggers. Each year, a handful of new members are inducted) at Worlds 2003, 2004, and 2005. I declined membership each year.

I have appeared several times footbagging on national Nepali TV, Canadian MTV, and various Japanese cable TV programs.

Ken Somolinos


Playing since: July 28th, 1997

1st Place Open Finishes:
- Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3, Shred 30 (193) Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2, Shred 30 (206) Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Penn State Trio Official Footbag Forum, Routines. State College, Pennsylvania. March 2-3 2002
-Montreal International Footbag Championships, Routines 1st place, Shred 1st place. Montreal, Canada. July 7-9, 2000
-Championnat International de Footbag (Montreal Windchill Tournament), Routines. April 1-2, 2000.
-Phily Open 2 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.1st in Routines and Sick combo. March 25-26, 2000

World Championships Results
Worlds 05, Helsinki, Finland. 4th place in Shred 30 (196). 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 04, Montreal, Canada. 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 03, Prague, Czech Republic. 11th place in routines. Sponsored by Pepsi Japan to attend and represent Team Japan.
Worlds 00, Vancouver, CA. 15th place in routines.

Invited into the Big Add Posse (elite club of the Worlds best footbaggers. Each year, a handful of new members are inducted) at Worlds 2003, 2004, and 2005. I declined membership each year.

Judging and Tournament Organizing Experience

Head judge and co-tournament organizer at the following events.

-Japanese Footbag Championships 3. Tokyo, August 20th, 2005
- Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3, Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Japanse Footbag Championships 2. Osaka, November 20th, 2004.
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2, Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Japanese Footbag Championships 1. Tokyo, July 7-8, 2003.

I have appeared several times footbagging on national Nepali TV, Canadian MTV, and various Japanese cable TV programs.

Ken Somolinos


Playing since: July 28th, 1997

1st Place Open Finishes:
- Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3: Shred 30 (193 points) Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2: Shred 30 (206 points) Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Penn State Trio Official Footbag Forum, Routines. State College, Pennsylvania. March 2-3 2002
-Montreal International Footbag Championships: Routines and Shred. Montreal, Canada. July 7-9, 2000
-Championnat International de Footbag (Montreal Windchill Tournament): Routines. Montreal, Canada. April 1-2, 2000.
-Phily Open 2: Routines and Sick combo. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.March 25-26, 2000

World Championships Results
Worlds 05, Helsinki, Finland. 4th place in Shred 30 (196). 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 04, Montreal, Canada. 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 03, Prague, Czech Republic. 11th place in routines. Sponsored by Pepsi Japan to attend and represent Team Japan.
Worlds 00, Vancouver, CA. 15th place in routines.

Invited into the Big Add Posse (elite club of the world`s best footbaggers. Each year, a handful of new members are inducted) at Worlds 2003, 2004, and 2005. I declined membership each year.

Judging and Tournament Organizing Experience

Head judge and co-tournament organizer at the following events.

-Japanese Footbag Championships 3. Tokyo, August 20th, 2005
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3, Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Japanse Footbag Championships 2. Osaka, November 20th, 2004.
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2, Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Japanese Footbag Championships 1. Tokyo, July 7-8, 2003.

TV Appearances and Demonstration Experience
-Taught advanced freestyle workshop at Japanese Footbag Championships 3, August 20th, 2005
-One of 6 featured players interviewed and filmed for a Canal+ documentary for Finnish Television, during Worlds 2005.
-Ran a 30 minute school assembly teaching footbag, at Towa Senior High School Festival, October 2004.
-Interviewed and filmed for several Japanese Cable TV Sports shows.
-Taught a footbag workshop at Japanese National Junior Footsala tournament, teaching teams of grade-school footsala players how to do basic tricks.
- Presented a 1 hour freestyle workshop at Japanese Footbag Championships 1, in front of a crowd of several hundred spectators. July 2003.
-Appeared on Good Morning America (NBC) on August 8th, 2000, promoting the upcoming World Championships.
-Interviewed and filmed for a promotional segment on Quebecois (Canadian) MTV, July of 1999
-Interviewed and filmed on Nepali National News, showcasing footbag. August of 1998.

You might like the video at the beginning
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeremy O'Wheel <beast9>
Date: Oct 12, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Footbag resumes
To: Kate


Hi Kate,

Here are Ken and my resumes and some more recent and better footage of
Ken from worlds this year (first round of routines (there were 3
rounds) and his sick 3 first heat combo)


http://www.footbag.org/media/728/KenWorlds.mpg



Ken Somolinos

Playing since: July 28th, 1997

1st Place Open Finishes:
- Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3: Shred 30 (193 points) Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2: Shred 30 (206 points) Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Penn State Trio Official Footbag Forum, Routines. State College,
Pennsylvania. March 2-3 2002
-Montreal International Footbag Championships: Routines and Shred.
Montreal, Canada. July 7-9, 2000
-Championnat International de Footbag (Montreal Windchill Tournament):
Routines. Montreal, Canada. April 1-2, 2000.
-Phily Open 2: Routines and Sick combo. Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania.March 25-26, 2000

World Championships Results
Worlds 05, Helsinki, Finland. 4th place in Shred 30 (196). 16th in
routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 04, Montreal, Canada. 16th in routines. Coached Team Japan.
Worlds 03, Prague, Czech Republic. 11th place in routines. Sponsored
by Pepsi Japan to attend and represent Team Japan.
Worlds 00, Vancouver, CA. 15th place in routines.

Invited into the Big Add Posse (elite club of the world`s best
footbaggers. Each year, a handful of new members are inducted) at
Worlds 2003, 2004, and 2005. I declined membership each year.

Judging and Tournament Organizing Experience

Head judge and co-tournament organizer at the following events.

-Japanese Footbag Championships 3. Tokyo, August 20th, 2005
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 3, Tokyo, April 30th 2005
-Japanse Footbag Championships 2. Osaka, November 20th, 2004.
-Tokyo Shredder Gathering 2, Tokyo, July 3rd, 2004
-Japanese Footbag Championships 1. Tokyo, July 7-8, 2003.

TV Appearances and Demonstration Experience
-Taught advanced freestyle workshop at Japanese Footbag Championships
3, August 20th, 2005
-One of 6 featured players interviewed and filmed for a Canal+
documentary for Finnish Television, during Worlds 2005.
-Ran a 30 minute school assembly teaching footbag, at Towa Senior High
School Festival, October 2004.
-Interviewed and filmed for several Japanese Cable TV Sports shows.
-Taught a footbag workshop at Japanese National Junior Footsala
tournament, teaching teams of grade-school footsala players how to do
basic tricks.
- Presented a 1 hour freestyle workshop at Japanese Footbag
Championships 1, in front of a crowd of several hundred spectators.
July 2003.
-Appeared on Good Morning America (NBC) on August 8th, 2000, promoting
the upcoming World Championships.
-Interviewed and filmed for a promotional segment on Quebecois
(Canadian) MTV, July of 1999
-Interviewed and filmed on Nepali National News, showcasing footbag.
August of 1998.



Jeremy O'Wheel

Playing since: September 2001


1st Place Open Finishes

Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships: Doubles Routines.
Melbourne, February 2005

Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships: Sick 3. Melbourne, February 2005

Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships: Sick 1. Melbourne, February 2005

Brisbane City Sessions Jam: Sick 3. Brisbane, September 2004

Tasmanian Freestyle Footbag Championships: Sick 3. Hobart, December 2002

3rd place (Australian 1st place)
Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships: Routines. Melbourne, February 2004

3rd place (Australian 1st place)
Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships: Routines. Melbourne, February 2004.

World Records

Toe delay: 1235
Mirage: 123
Mouth stall: 8
Pixie Legover: 56 http://v.footbag.org/media/639/pixieswitch56.wmv (video)
Pixie pickup: 28
Sailing same side mirage: 2
Sailing op side mirage: 2


Organisation Experience

Tournament organiser:

2002 Tasmania Freestyle Footbag Championships
2003 East Coast Regional Championships
2004 Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships
2006 Australian Freestyle Footbag Championships (yet to be held)

Other involvement:

Hobart Footbag Club president
Freestyle Footbag Representative for Tasmania
Australian Footbag National Council Secretary
International Footbag Players Assoication Life Member
International Footbag Committee
IFPA Membership Committee
IFC Freestyle Rules Committee

Media Appearances and Demonstration Experience

Homebake Music Festival 2003 (NSW Footbag Championships)
Totally Wild TV appearance (channel ten) – 2004
Local News TV appearance (channel nine) – 2003
Pluck TV appearance live (channel 31) - 2004
The Age National Feature newspaper – 2004
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/ ... m=storyrhs
(link)
Mx Front Page newspaper – 2004
The Advocate newspaper story – 2003
The Taste Of Tasmania: Cabaret 7 performances 2004-2005
Numerous other school demonstrations and workshops

Hey Ken,

So here is the plan.

Arrive 14th. - We'll have 3 full days to work on some performance stuff.

Demos won't start until the following weekend but there are a large
number now so I think 9 is definitely possible. maybe even more.
Many of the demos will be with me too.


22nd - North Sydney Demo with me
23rd - Cycle demo with me (10,000 people)
and
Hasselhoff Demo with me

28th "ignite festival"
29th school halloween demo
both in Syd.

6th of Nov
Second Hasselhoff demo in Brisbane (foxtel bd bash) wih me.

There are also 2 internal demos planned - which will probably be on
working demos and there's a good chance there'll be demos on the 4th
and 5th as well (and the 30th for that matter).

I'm not sure how many of those last ones you'll be able to make it to.
I'm definitely going to try and arrange for you to do demos in
Melbourne and spend some time in Hobart too.

So that's the current plan.

How does this sound?

Cheers,

Here are my ideas etc:

Bags in hand at start. Drop to right toe stall for first bop (9
second mark). Op toe>op toe>op toe pause. Op toe>op toe>op toe>op
toe pause. Ss inside>ss toe>same foot (far) clipper pause. Lft toe
stall (pause) and repeat.

27 second mark:
in sync - tiltless combo.

44 seconds: Pause - wave at crowd etc.
49 seconds
Crab work (with pauses)

1:24
Solo Ken (easy)

1:40
passing to each other stuff: ie. mirage passes - ducking clipper>other
person clipper>ducking clipper etc.

2:04
Sole Jeremy (easy)

2:20
Juggling (pause at end)

2:30
solo Ken (harder)

2:48
Solo Jeremy (harder)

3:07
In sync hard/shuffle

Finish.

Hey J,

Just so you know, Friday we will have Guido's house to ourselves all day. It's Guido and Marissa's 3rd anniversary, so Marissa is surprising him with a romantic hotel getaway, which means they won't even go back to the house on Friday night. This really frees us up to spend the whole day drilling our doubles routine. Let me know when your flight arrives in Sydney.
Just wanted to give you the heads up on the Friday situation.

Also, I gave some thought about the Hoff demo on the 13th, and I really feel like I want my time in Japan to say goodbyes properly. But just to tempt fate, if Nestle is willing to pay me $600 for the demo, I will delay my ticket and do it. The only reason I am asking an outrageous price, is so they reject it. On the very off chance they call my bluff, I will stick around, and work out some way for me to go back to the US later. I highly doubt Nestle will shell out that much for me, so I'm really hoping to stick to my schedule and leave on the 8th. if there are any other demos during that week, I will push back my departure, but I really want to be back in Japan for that weekend, since I only have 2 weekends left in Japan before going back to the states.

See you in a little over a day.
Hoffily,
Ken

Hey Ken,

Sounds cool.

I arrive in Sydney at about 8:30 am I think. Can you pass that on to
Dyalan? I'm flying jetstar too.

We do need to drop buy the TMS (Kate's) office at 4:30 to give a demo
of what we're planning and get some shirts etc.

Will see what Nestle respond with regarding the Vic demo. Most likely
Lynton and I will do it . The soccer guy said that my suggested
prices sounded fine and he'll confirm that as soon as possible

See you soon,

Hey J,

Just passed on the details from your mail to Dyalan. We were thinking about picking you up without parking, so like picking you up in the pick up lane as opposed to at the gate. That would save us money on parking which we could use for petrol or beer or more worthy fluids. Maybe call Dyalan for more details.

Thanks again for setting up the Sydney FC thing. What are we getting exactly? Water and $300? Do we play in FC Sydney shirts? Should be fun. Any word if we do halftime or not?

Oh yeah, if you are putting eye of the tiger on CD, I was wondering if you could do me a favor and get "Everyday Struggle" by Notorious BIG on the same CD, so I could put it on my ipod. If you already made the CD, or it sounds like a pain in the ass, forget it, I can get Guido to do it real easily. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Ate some of your cheese finally yesterday. It was really good, and real stinky. I feel fine today though, so i think its still OK.

Shit man, see you in less than a day.
I may skip shred today, but if I do, I will practice the synchro combos for the demo.

Thank you thank you thank you for everything. I wouldn't be here, rocking out on a fun vacation if it weren't for all your hard work.
Keep the faith,
Fan out

Sounds cool.

I don't think I can do the Everyday Struggle thing although I'll try.
I'll put the Notorious BIG vs Frank Sinatra cd on if I can't though
cause that's coo

Actually we are supposed to have a non burnt version of the song - if
you could find one that would be awesome - otherwise we can get one on
Friday. I'll bring up a burnt version as a back up

Cheers,

Jer

Hey Ken,

Just wanted to let you know I've organised for Nestle to pay for your
flights to Hobart on the 31st (monday) and then up to Brisbane on the
Friday next month (4th of nov I think) as well as your flight from
Brisbane to Sydney.

Hope this is ok with you

See you on Friday!

yes!

Thanks so much Jeremy. Definitely appreciate all the work you've put in. Today Dyalan took me to Bondi beach, where we swam in freezing water. Our footbag skills impressed a waiter enough to get a big discount on lunch. I've played footbag every day I've been in Aussie, so 12 days in a row!
You getting in on Friday morning?
See you soon,
CF

Hey Ken,

Can you call me sometime soon. Sorry I only have guido's mobile number.

0404 621 893

Basically it looks like we won't be doing the vic foxtel event but
you'll still be getting paid what was agreed in the invoice so don't
worry about that.

cheers,

Hey Jeremy,

Said goodbye to Guido and Marissa tonight. Can't believe this trip is finally coming to an end. Thanks again for organizing it so I could come. Good times were had. I didn't hit flip smog, but I did get smoke bsos today, so its on the horizon I hope.

Did you receive the money from Nestle today? Jenny Boyd said she'd have it wired first thing this morning. I arrive in Tokyo tomorrow night, and have pretty much just enough money to get me home. Since it's critical for me to get the money tomorrow, I think that an electronic transfer would be best. It's the instant option, and it should cost about 30 Australian to get it through. There are slower options which are cheaper, but I leave Japan in a week, so the instant option is the only good one.

The account where I can receive the info is my girlfriend's account. She isn't comfortable with me posting all the info in an e-mail, so in this e-mail I will post most of the info, but the remaining digits of the account number I will post in the title of the ninth post on the 4th page of my blog. You should find it easily. She also asks that after you send the payment, you print out a copy of this mail, burn it, eat the ashes, delete the copy of it from your account, write a virus to crash modified forums, and then kill yourself. I think she's being paranoid and overprotective, but its her account, so I want to follow her wishes. My suggestion is to print out or jot down the following info

Bank Details


then go to my blog, find the remaining digits of her A/C NO, write them on the page, then go to the bank with that. Let me know if you have any trouble, or need more info. I'll mail you tomorrow when I get into Tokyo, and I'll mail you again when I confirm the payment was received.

This mail sounds all businesslike... I'm in that frantic packing mode where I keep checking to make sure I dont forget anything. I should get to bed, since I fly out early.

Thanks again for organizing the demos. Good luck at the bank tomorrow. Talk to you soon,
CF

229-xxxx

Hey guys,

Sorry for the mass mail. Just wanted to let y`all know I finally made it back to Japan. My initial flight was delayed, which meant I missed my connection in Korea and had to spend a night there. Big suck. I served as the tourguide/translator for a group of 7 Japanese tourists who wouldn`t have otherwise been able to communicate with the Airline people, so that was fun, and I made some friends doing so.
Pretty exhausted since I JUST got into the house. Wanted to let you know I made it safely, even if it took a day and a half of travel. I`ll write you all more later.
Big ups,
Fan out

Hey Ken,

Good to hear. I tried to transfer your money today and apparantly I
need the address of the branch of the bank where your girlfriend has
the account. I thought about trying to do the transfer anyway but the
woman thought there was a good chance it wouldn't work and that would
mean it would take a few days to find out and a few days to get it
resorted out - so I'll do it all again tomorrow morning if you email
me with the address tonight.

In other news I hit flip vortex today!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

(sorry am at work - have to be brief)

Jeremy

Jeremy.



On 11/16/05, Jeremy O'Wheel <beast9> wrote:
I'll do it all again tomorrow morning if you email
me with the address tonight.


Well did you?

I checked the account today and no money has been transferred. I don`t think I`m capable of expressing how unacceptable I find this whole situation.

-Ken

Hey Ken,

Yeah I did the transfer today but the woman said it will take up to 48
hours. I'm not sure what happens with weekends etc - there doesn't
seem to anything else I can do - sorry. It should definitely arrive
soon though.

I think in the future we'll definitely want to have a more formal
arrangement regarding money before performances start. It's a shame
that this was the first such promotion we've done so I didn't really
know about all the issues that could arise etc. Anyway hopefully you
can survive for a few days.

Cheers,

Jeremy

>Yeah I did the transfer today but the woman said it will take up to 48
hours.

I specifically requested an electronic transfer, which is instant. I thought I made it very clear that the circumstances required it. In case you lost count, I have 4 full days left in Japan, and I spent all my Japanese funds to get to Australia. Receiving thousands of dollars in Japanese currency won`t do me any good once I am out of the country. Why didn`t you do the instant electronic transfer?



>I think in the future we'll definitely want to have a more formal
arrangement regarding money before performances start.

I know I`ve learned my lesson.


> Anyway hopefully you
can survive for a few days.

Do you have ANY idea how incredibly cavalier that statement is?

E-mail me back and let me know why you didn`t complete an electronic transfer of the money.

Ken

Electronic transfers are not instant - go talk to somebody who knows
what they're talking about like I did yesterday - I spoke to the woman
at the bank and then a second guy at travelex which is a company whose
sole purpose is electronic bank transfers. You are wrong. I'm sorry
but that's the way it is.

Hey Ken,

The money apparantly bounced because I needed your girlfriends
address. Don't worry! I've looked into the options more and have
done a Western Union transfer - which is what we should have done in
the first place. This wasn't suggested to me before I don't know why.

You need to go to any Western Union agency and tell them you have
money waiting and give them your I.D. and they will give you the money
in cash. I was charged about $400 total in expences due to the
bounce, the second transfer and having to withdraw over $3000 in cash
on the spot so I've split the fees in half so you should be getting
exactly $3000 au in Japanese yen.

You should be able to pick the money up right now!

I will call you to let you know this too if you do not respond to this
email in about 2 minutes.

Let me know if you have any problems,

Jeremy

Hey Jeremy.

1. Received the money. Thank you for making the effort to get it to me while I am in Japan. Thank you for organizing my trip to Australia. I want you to know that I realize that several of the snags we encountered were beyond your control.

2. Regarding electronic transfers. I don`t know what`s wrong with your bank, but instant electronic transfters do exist. I completed them successfully from Japan to America on 3 occasions (April 11th 2005, May 17th 2005, and July 19th 2005). In every case the money arrived instantly. Guido`s girlfriend Marissa, whose parents live in Melbourne, do instant electronic transfers regularly to Portugal. An electronic transfer is expensive (between 30 and 50 Aus $) but is instant. I don`t know who you talked to, but I have done them myself, so they are definitely not impossible. The advantage of an elecroic transfer over Western Union, is that you don`t have to walk on the street carrying massive amounts of money, nor do you have to wait at the WU office (I had to wait over 90 minutes, plus 40 minutes riding trains). You also get a better exchange rate. The rate that I had to accept at Western Union meant I received a good $70 AUS less than the going rate.

3.
>. I was charged about $400 total in expences due to the

bounce, the second transfer and having to withdraw over $3000 in cash
on the spot so I've split the fees in half so you should be getting
exactly $3000 au in Japanese yen.

Sorry to hear you incurred costs. I still don`t understand why your bank can`t/doesn`t do electronic transfers, since that would have been the fastest and cheapest option by far. Had I signed a contract which promised me 3200 AUSD, any costs incurred getting me the money would not be my responsibility. Instead, I shook your hands agreeing to 3200 AUSD. It really sucks that you couldn`t get the transfers, and that sending me my payment cost you $400. Still, I feel that that money isn`t my responsibility, and I should have received $200 more. . I agreed (not in writing) to provide my services for $3200 AUS. I received $3000 AUS. I did everything requested of me, including giving you all the bank info you requested. I don`t want to dwell on this, but I felt the need to point it out. Ultimately, since I didn`t sign a contract and we only had a verbal understanding, it is a moot point. But in terms of ethics, I shook your hand for an agreed amount, and didn`t receive it. Any costs incurred in paying me shouldn`t be my responsibility.

4.
It was unfortunate that things with TMS worked out the way they did. And I still feel like due to unfortunate circumstances things aren`t as good between us as they could be. I think the biggest disappointment for me was constantly getting one impression of how things would work out, and then finding out otherwise. If I had known from the start that I`d get $3000 AUS for 1 month of my time, I`d probably be fine with that. Instead, the timetable was in constant flux, pay wasn`t ever guaranteed, the weather shat on us one weekend, and even up til today I wasn`t sure how much I was getting paid, and when. Part of this was definitely my fault, for not signing a contract. I just figured I`d give you and the campaign the benefit of the doubt, but money is trouble, and we hit a lot of snags. I also want to stress again that I enjoyed most of my trip. I hope that fact, and my gratitude for your organizing me coming down, don`t get lost in everything else. Mostly I want to thank you for your efforts in promoting footbag in Australia.

Again, I just want to reiterate that I don`t want things to be contentious between us. That said, I had to make my views regarding the Western Union situation known. I only ask that you try and look at the situation in the abstract, as objectively as possible. Thank you again for your efforts to pay me while I`m in Japan, and thank you for organizing my trip. I hope we can shred again together sometime soon.

Best wishes,
Ken

Glad to hear you recieved the money.

I am absolutely convinced from the people I've spoken to - who are
experts and from doing it before that bank electronic telegram
transfers are not instant but take up to 48 hours - this is why
Western Union exists and why they can afford to charge so much and
still have a business - if people were going to save $150 and have a
more convienient transfer taking the same amount of time why would
they use Western Union or other international money agencies.

Regarding contracts and verbal agreements - I'm pretty sure we never
agreed to any date of payment and any contract you made would have
been with Nestle or TMS and not with me. Had I been forced to pay
$400 to get the money to you I would have posted it to you which would
have cost me nothing - I was under the impression you wanted it
immediatly and made the call to go with which may have meant you'd get
less money and I'd have to pay money out of my pocket but I think was
definitely the best option for you. Had you mentioned that you needed
the money in such a quick time earlier than 3 working days before you
left that would have been possible - I definitely mentioned a number
of times that I'd do an e.t transfer into a bank account if we got
paid after you left and it wasn't until there were 3 days left that
you said this was a problem. There were 4 transfers of money that
needed to be made - Nestle to TMS to Me to You so 3 days was
definitely too short a period of time and it was your responsibility
not mine. I agreed - or at least Nestle agreed - to pay you $3200
Australian and had you not had time limits on when you needed the
money this would have definitely happened. I was not getting paid for
any of the work I've put into this and I think you're asking way too
much when you expect me to pay $400 because you didn't make it clear
when you wanted the money until such a late date.

Anyway things have worked out and I'm glad that's happened - it's
certainly pointless to debate any of this. I resent your attitude a
bit - especially since I basically gave up about $2000 so that you
could make the trip - Nestle were going to pay me $400 per demo to do
the same amount of demos as I ended up doing. If you have problems
with the money arrangements I think I did everything I could to make
sure things worked out and the problems that occured were really your
problems since you were the only person who would have been negatively
effected by them and certainly I don't appreciate getting any of the
blame for them.

Anyway lets put this matter behind us - there were problems and in
future campaigns I've learnt enough that those definitely won't be
these problems again. In fact I already have another promotion
completely lined up and will be picking up the cheque for it the day
after I finish and it's all sorted so having these problems definitely
has had some positve outcomes as well in terms of learning and
improving these promotions in the future.

In other news I hit 26 unique tripless today into butterfly>blurry
whirl>blurry drop - shred 30 score of 230 (not counting the 0 add
contact at the end) so I think I should be able to get 250 very soon.

I've also played 6 games of chess at Franklin Square and won every single one

I'm not sure if I'll go to worlds or not - I've already spent most of
my Nestle money paying off debts although I'll earn another $2000 in
January and I'm going to buy an expensive video camera before anything
else but since Australia will be in the world cup soccer it's about a
40% chance I guess. Otherwise I'm sure we'll kick again sometime.

Hope that is a good read.

[BainbridgeShred]

So really, two grown ass men are arguing over 200 (400?) dollars that they recieved solely through the corporate sponsorship of Switz candy/coffee maker Nestle? Sponsorship they recieved solely for playing Hackey Sack? In fucking Australia...?

The real question (Assuming any of this ever mattered) is who is correct on the issue of the money transfer. I don't imagine banks can do instant money transfers like a Western Union can, but I don't know.

[Texta]

I'm pretty sure it's only instant if you're both with the same bank. That's been my experience in Australia, but it might be different elsewhere.

[shredzilla]

So Ken actually got the money? Weird that he would bring it up as such that he didn't in a completely unrelated forum topic.

Oh well, unfortunately I've learned the hard way that footbaggers are quick to hold a grudge. If you tell them "Let's bury the hatchet" they think you're referring to edit: diving whirl. Cest la vie.

[Jeremy]

Hatchet is diving whirl. Ducking PS Whirl is Mullet.

This is an important post.

[ThisIsFate]

I was curious then click on this police forum, and the page 4 of this thread randomly, so there is a deal of getting footbags and get ban? I would accept it lol.

[Texta]

I'm pretty happy with the sacks that I've got at the moment, but I'd leave for a new pair of lavers (but only green/mesh).