Montreal Worlds 04 vid
Montreal Worlds 04 vid
hey guys found this on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 34939&rd=1
looks pretty sweet, dont know when it came out.
So quickly grab a copy someone and tell us how it is!
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 34939&rd=1
looks pretty sweet, dont know when it came out.
So quickly grab a copy someone and tell us how it is!
Jason Po
It sounds like it's from Monsterhack to me - most likely from Eric Windsor going by the user name - I think psykick is his email address.
It's a bit of a worry that at an IFPA event nobody will give the footage of the routines and shred to the IFPA so they can put it up on the website - there are now two people selling videos apparantly with the finals on them and they still haven't been given to the IFPA.
I think next year it might be wise to say that any filming that occurs at the competition venue has to have IFPA permission before it can be sold - so they can ask for the rountines to put on footbag.org before allowing people to sell it.
It's a bit of a worry that at an IFPA event nobody will give the footage of the routines and shred to the IFPA so they can put it up on the website - there are now two people selling videos apparantly with the finals on them and they still haven't been given to the IFPA.
I think next year it might be wise to say that any filming that occurs at the competition venue has to have IFPA permission before it can be sold - so they can ask for the rountines to put on footbag.org before allowing people to sell it.
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That's being worked on, just taking some time on my end to sort some compression crap out, but it will be happening soonIt's a bit of a worry that at an IFPA event nobody will give the footage of the routines and shred to the IFPA so they can put it up on the website - there are now two people selling videos apparantly with the finals on them and they still haven't been given to the IFPA.
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Nor to the players featured on the tapes.Jeremy wrote:there are now two people selling videos apparantly with the finals on them and they still haven't been given to the IFPA.
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This is a perfect example to refer to the previous thread entitled "Ask Permission?"......
I can't speak for the other players on these tapes that are being SOLD, but no one notified me or asked my permission to include my routine on a tape that they were going to sell. No one contacted me offering me at least a copy of the tape.
After that entire thread discussing this issue it's hard not to feel jacked, so
can anyone confirm who is selling these tapes??
Peter Irish
Seller's payment instructions & return policy:
I prefer Pay-Pal Payments, but am willing to accept a Cashiers Check, or Money Order. Please send and make Payment Payable To: Eric Windsor 3835 Artesia Blvd. Apt. L Torrance, CA 90504 Send pay-pal payments to user: store@monsterhack.com. Discount offered on combined shipping. Internation shipping extra, please email shipping questions to store@monsterhack.com.
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Don't be so hard on yourself Ryan, your still a good man in my book. You just have a different opinion then others. In my opinion I wouldn't mind at all, wheher the video was being sold or posted for free. I understand everyone else's opinions they're all justified, but its just not my opinion.
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I own this video. Eric sent it along with Just Shred 2. I ordered Just Shred II and I guess due to some confusion witht he order he just sent the worlds video as a freebie. It looks really good so far. I've wacthed about 20 minutes of it. It has the top 10 finals routines and top 3 womens routines. . .that's all I know for now. I'll give an update after I wacthed the rest.
hey ryan... just goes to show you that even when you do things with the best intentions and work hard and put a lot of your self and your time into it, it's still liable to be misinterpreted or misunderstood. And sometimes it affects people in a way you don't expect. You did the community a service by putting that DVD out. Don't get down about it, maybe just be extra careful about permission and taking a list of who gets freebies next time.
I feel really bad seeing you feeling regretful or guilty about what you did. I don't think anyone's questioning that you're a good guy with the best intentions for the community. Widely-released homebrew footbag videos are kind of a new thing, we're still figuring out the territory, so there's gonna be some bumps here and there. But you did a good thing, and I applaud you for it. Try to remember, a lot of this discussion is in the theory of the act, and not directed at you.
I feel really bad seeing you feeling regretful or guilty about what you did. I don't think anyone's questioning that you're a good guy with the best intentions for the community. Widely-released homebrew footbag videos are kind of a new thing, we're still figuring out the territory, so there's gonna be some bumps here and there. But you did a good thing, and I applaud you for it. Try to remember, a lot of this discussion is in the theory of the act, and not directed at you.
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I just dont understand all of this commotion about one's image being used without permission. I realize that in many cases, our "best" moments are not those displayed on video, but for the most part, whats wrong with releasing some online footage of people at a comp without asking?
I know I'm in the minority and I'l probably be harassed for this but . . .
if you really don't want other people using your image, make a public statement to the footbag community saying that: you are uncomfortable with the way that people have used your image in the past and that you prefer not to be taped at all, even by people that you know, unless given explicit permission that such taping is allowed. You say: "well I shouldnt have to do that. My provacy is not being respected" I say: You're right, your privacy is not being respected. So you better make people respect it, but not by asking for a copy of the tape.
I would say that people should be given royalties for having "appearances" on vids, but hey, no frikkin person EVER has made money from selling a footbag video tape. So why would you want to make the seller give you a free copy when you already know they're losing money??
If you don't want to be taped, announce it publicly, let it be known. If you dont mind though, allow people to tape you and use your image to support and spread the word of footbag to the masses.
thats just my opinion.
I know I'm in the minority and I'l probably be harassed for this but . . .
if you really don't want other people using your image, make a public statement to the footbag community saying that: you are uncomfortable with the way that people have used your image in the past and that you prefer not to be taped at all, even by people that you know, unless given explicit permission that such taping is allowed. You say: "well I shouldnt have to do that. My provacy is not being respected" I say: You're right, your privacy is not being respected. So you better make people respect it, but not by asking for a copy of the tape.
I would say that people should be given royalties for having "appearances" on vids, but hey, no frikkin person EVER has made money from selling a footbag video tape. So why would you want to make the seller give you a free copy when you already know they're losing money??
If you don't want to be taped, announce it publicly, let it be known. If you dont mind though, allow people to tape you and use your image to support and spread the word of footbag to the masses.
thats just my opinion.
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That`s also an interesting question, but thats not the point of this thread.Senor Grommet wrote:I just dont understand all of this commotion about one's image being used without permission. I realize that in many cases, our "best" moments are not those displayed on video, but for the most part, whats wrong with releasing some online footage of people at a comp without asking?.
Point of this thread: Eric is selling a video without permission from the players. Whether the players are comfortable with their level of shred on the video, or if they are uncomfortable being filmed... these are both valid questions, but not the point of the thread. The point is, their likeness is being sold without their permission.
I'm sure my position would change, and that's just my point- I don't care if someone would film me and I'm not at a point where I can really comment on that. I don't know the rules because I niether film nor be filmed. I just like to see footage!C-Fan wrote:Maybe that will change once people start using YOUR image without your permission, or start making money of YOUR shred without your permission.sen wrote: I'm not into all the stuff about permission and all that jazz though.
THE VIDEO: This video has the top 10 Open Freestyle Routines, the Top 3 Women's Routines, the Top 10 30 Second Shred, and the Winning Doubles Routine. . .at least think they won, I forget. . .Vasek and Honza.
Permission is necessary.
If the top 3 women's routines are from Finals, then Carol would have told the producer, distributer, seller, whomever, NOT to include her finals routine. It is not her best, she is not proud of it, and cares not to have it out there -- this is why I never posted her finals routine that Evan Lovely put together for me and is also on Freedom Footbags website. (sorry Evan, thanks for your hard work...never got around to telling you why I didn't put it up on Shreditas.com) Carol specifically asked me not to put her finals routine up on the site if anyone sent it to me.
On the otherhand...if it is simply sports coverage of competition at a championship event, maybe those on stage should assume they will be appearing in various forms of media with or without consent. If players feel so strongly about this, then perhaps IFPA should have a waiver that registered players sign which explicitly states they will be filmed and photographed and they have no personal rights to this. just a thought. Do network news channels ask for permission when they show footage of people - no, certainly not always. and that takes us back to the other thread topic...
I don't know where I stand, but Windsor knows what Pete, Carol and others would appreciate with regards to this, so I'm kind of surprised he didn't ask first.
If the top 3 women's routines are from Finals, then Carol would have told the producer, distributer, seller, whomever, NOT to include her finals routine. It is not her best, she is not proud of it, and cares not to have it out there -- this is why I never posted her finals routine that Evan Lovely put together for me and is also on Freedom Footbags website. (sorry Evan, thanks for your hard work...never got around to telling you why I didn't put it up on Shreditas.com) Carol specifically asked me not to put her finals routine up on the site if anyone sent it to me.
On the otherhand...if it is simply sports coverage of competition at a championship event, maybe those on stage should assume they will be appearing in various forms of media with or without consent. If players feel so strongly about this, then perhaps IFPA should have a waiver that registered players sign which explicitly states they will be filmed and photographed and they have no personal rights to this. just a thought. Do network news channels ask for permission when they show footage of people - no, certainly not always. and that takes us back to the other thread topic...
I don't know where I stand, but Windsor knows what Pete, Carol and others would appreciate with regards to this, so I'm kind of surprised he didn't ask first.
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I could be wrong, but I thought there was some agreement that had to be signed saying a player could be filmed or whatnot during the competition and the tournament reserves all rights to use that footage or something of the like... Maybe I just imagined it?Juana wrote: If players feel so strongly about this, then perhaps IFPA should have a waiver that registered players sign which explicitly states they will be filmed and photographed and they have no personal rights to this.
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